 Poster: A snowHead
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| Mollerski wrote: |
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| @Mollerski, like chancing an overnight stay in a French cell, rather than just face the deed? |
Extradition for non payment of a speeding ticket?? Be sensible.  |
Hardly, now you are being silly, but I would rather pay that worry everytime I went into France.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@ster, So how the heck is there any chance of being banged up in a French nick for non payment of a speeding fine for Johnny foreigner 8 months after the event???
Has this site been taken over by @nal retentives whilst I wasn't looking? 
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Thu 9-11-23 23:31; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Mollerski wrote: |
| ster wrote: |
| @Mollerski, like chancing an overnight stay in a French cell, rather than just face the deed? |
Extradition for non payment of a speeding ticket?? Be sensible. |
There's thread on here somewhere where exactly that was threatened for non-payment of a Swiss speeding ticket. A knock on the door from Scotland Yard IIRC. Lots of "you're talking BS" type comments but the poster swore it was true.
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@Je suis un Skieur, In 1987 perhaps?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Nah, much more recent than that. Don't forget the Swiss have their% of earnings factor for motoring offences. Could be well worth their time tracking someone down.
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@Mollerski, do feel free to follow your own advice, collect a few fines over there and not pay them (sounds like your sort of thing) as you are so cocksure. Be sure to tell us how it goes.
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| ster wrote: |
| @Mollerski, do feel free to follow your own advice, . |
Look, having my collar felt by the frog fuzz over a historic bit of vitesse would be a great after dinner yarn. A fine addition to life's rich tapestry. A life well spent and all that. 
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| Je suis un Skieur wrote: |
| Nah, much more recent than that. Don't forget the Swiss have their% of earnings factor for motoring offences. Could be well worth their time tracking someone down. |
Imagine the conversation. 'Forget about the knife crime, we've had the Swiss on the phone.....'
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I’ve first hand (observational) experience of having a collar felt by the gendarmes…. Long story short, our tour ops bus back from the Alps had an ‘additional passenger’ wanted for cash theft from a chalet. We were flagged down by the Gendarmes, bus boarded, passports requested…. And the ‘extra’ was physically dragged from the bus and flattened over the bonnet of the cops car. They were not gentle.
I could easily see how ‘non payment of a legitimate fine’ could be viewed in a similar way by an officer…
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| Does the fact lots of people who live in France seem to get regular speeding fines but without getting banned, mean the French don't have the same licence points system that we have in the UK? |
It's quite similar but points are deducted rather than added, a ban following once you get to -12 (or whatever the number is). Different deductions made for different speeds, according to the radar speed displays in some of the villages round here, that flash up your speed with a "-n points" as you pass the detector. (Not official radar cameras or in any way enforcing it, just trying to slow people down through the villages.)
But "regular" could mean once every couple of years, so the points could have expired before reaching the threshold.
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Old article (since its Chirac!), but did anything ever really change?
"FRENCH drivers have long avoided speeding tickets and other fixed penalty fines with a phone-call to the mayor’s office or local gendarmerie.
While British visitors have dutifully paid up, locals have pulled strings and seen their tickets — some five million a year — quietly cancelled. But no more. President Chirac has ordered tough action against the driving habits that kill more than 8,000 people on French roads every year — twice the rate in Britain.
Police, law officers and councils have been commanded to end all “acts of indulgence” towards the offences of friends, relations and contacts.
Le Parisien says that string-pulling — le piston — is most practised by police officers, followed by elected officials, lawyers, union leaders, doctors, company bosses, shopkeepers . . . and journalists.
Fixed-penalty tickets, 14 million of which are issued annually for offences such as speeding, go unpaid by a third of those to whom they are issued."
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Je suis un Skieur wrote: |
| Nah, much more recent than that. Don't forget the Swiss have their% of earnings factor for motoring offences. Could be well worth their time tracking someone down. |
Very rarely applied, usually only to high earners who are taking the wee wee out of the system. There's been a couple of high-profile cases with fines of several hundred thousand francs though.
It's worth mentioning that for anything less than 20kph (after deductions) over the limit speeding fines are dealt with just like a parking ticket, with a fixed penalty paid by the vehicle's owner and no sort of points system in place. Only for more severe offences would it normally go to court, and you're required to fill in a declaration of earnings for the judge to decide on the penalty. Yes, fines (+court costs) for these serious offences can be high even when they don't apply the %age of daily earnings formula; one could expect to end up paying over a thousand francs for, say, doing 90 in a 50...
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| snowdave wrote: |
| Old article (since its Chirac!), but did anything ever really change? |
Very hard to pull a speeding ticket from one of the automatic cameras - both roadside and car mounted - because they are processed centrally near Paris. Which was the change that Jacques Chirac implemented.
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You know it makes sense.
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| ster wrote: |
| @Mollerski, do feel free to follow your own advice, collect a few fines over there and not pay them (sounds like your sort of thing) as you are so cocksure. Be sure to tell us how it goes. |
In my experience, the kinds of keyboard warrior who mock people online for dealing with things safely or cautiously tend to be the most cautious, law-abiding citizens when it comes to their own lives.
For what it's worth, I'd pay the fine. Partly because I want to avoid being turned back at the border or getting detained and missing a flight/train (most likely at my own expense), but mostly because I don't want to spend the time between now and my next trip(s) worrying about whether or not that would happen, and trying to estimate the risk. I tend to worry about these things, so I'd effectively be paying for peace of mind so that I can worry about how many sweaters I need to take on my next ski trip instead.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Je suis un Skieur,
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I think the OP's long since either paid up or gone into hiding. Alert Interpol
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Too late, been arrested by MI6 and sat in a dingy Paris cell awaiting the guillotine....
Like I said somewhere above ignore it, if it took them 8 months to send the fine they are also too late and i'd argue that all day long with the curly wig guy.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| JayRo wrote: |
| ster wrote: |
| @Mollerski, do feel free to follow your own advice, collect a few fines over there and not pay them (sounds like your sort of thing) as you are so cocksure. Be sure to tell us how it goes. |
In my experience, the kinds of keyboard warrior who mock people online for dealing with things safely or cautiously tend to be the most cautious, law-abiding citizens when it comes to their own lives.
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I've been arrested 5 times (cautioned once, never sentenced). I've had my mug shots and finger prints taken 3 times. All for fun and games and pushing the boundaries a little. I wouldn't call myself particularly cautious. I'm all about a life well spent. I'm as entitled to live my life as I choose as much as those whom fear the imagined consequences of just about everything as you've described. Feel free to mock away. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Weird
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
| snowhound wrote: |
| Does the fact lots of people who live in France seem to get regular speeding fines but without getting banned, mean the French don't have the same licence points system that we have in the UK? |
It's quite similar but points are deducted rather than added, a ban following once you get to -12 (or whatever the number is). Different deductions made for different speeds, according to the radar speed displays in some of the villages round here, that flash up your speed with a "-n points" as you pass the detector. (Not official radar cameras or in any way enforcing it, just trying to slow people down through the villages.)
But "regular" could mean once every couple of years, so the points could have expired before reaching the threshold. |
You start with 12 points, anything up to 20 kph over the limit is one point off. You don't want to lose x points in a year or x total, but I think if you get a couple of tickets it's not a problem. I've never gotten a ticket for more than 15 kph over, so can't remember the threshold at which the ban hammer comes down...
You get the one-point deductions back after 6 months. We've lived in France for 12 years and the alacrity with which we rack up tickets is alarming. All cameras, no chance for appeal. It's really hard to follow the shifting limits -- there are stretches where it goes from 50-70-80-90-70-50-80 in just a few kms.
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I bet that you're a laugh to have a beer with
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I'd prefer to have a beer with someone who just accepted the situation, paid the money and talked about something else than someone who moaned boringly about being caught or expected me to be impressed with all the times they'd "got away with it" and how resourceful their ducking and diving was.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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A friend in our group travelling together was detained at CH border control for an unpaid CH speeding fine which he continued to ignore form the previous ski season. It was from speeding in a rental car. He paid CH100 to avoid a night in detention.
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@pam w, Who's moaning? There's no expectation whatsoever. You're assuming. I suppose that I've come to a realisation that forum users whom have posts in the 10s of 1000s are of a type. The dip in dip outs are slightly different animals. They seek specific information, ask a question, get some often confusing and conflicting answers and then disappear. Why do the 50,60,70000 posters feel the need to hang around forever? What's in it for them? Passing judgement. Rounding on those whom might rock the boat or dare to disagree with the 30,000+ clique, but actually offering very little because there's nothing new left to say. The online forum is a dying format. Snowheads is tired and is of very little value now. I'm off and I'm sure that I won't be missed. 
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Goodness, where did that come from? The love child of rayscoops and Hamilton Academical.
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| pam w wrote: |
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I bet that you're a laugh to have a beer with
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I'd prefer to have a beer with someone who just accepted the situation, paid the money and talked about something else than someone who moaned boringly about being caught or expected me to be impressed with all the times they'd "got away with it" and how resourceful their ducking and diving was. |
Quite. Having a beer with that kind of person sounds about as interesting as having one with someone who likes to talk about how much beer they drink.
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@JayRo, Yep and you're another self opinionated old hag whom has found a voice here and a new spiritual home with all the other left leaning sanctimonious retired teachers and civil servants.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Fri 10-11-23 22:44; edited 1 time in total
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@Mollerski, I thought you left?
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[quote="pam w"
I'll make one though. You're very rude.[/quote]
Maybe, but I'll say it as I see it. This site is cliquey and has become a virtual social club for a few. Clearly it fulfils a need for you Pam, I'm done with it.
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You know it makes sense.
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Well thanks for dropping in. Your short visit was quite entertaining.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Mollerski wrote: |
| I'm done with it. |
bugger, I'd just put the popcorn in the oven. Such a waste.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Pasigal wrote: |
| We've lived in France for 12 years and the alacrity with which we rack up tickets is alarming. |
it is, maybe a driving awareness course is in order?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Mollerski wrote: |
| @JayRo, Yep and you're another self opinionated old hag whom has found a voice here and a new spiritual home with all the other left leaning sanctimonious retired teachers and civil servants. |
 me, I'd hate to imagine what you'd say to someone whom [sic] had made 3621 posts on here, rather than my 362.
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| Mollerski wrote: |
| @pam w, The online forum is a dying format. Snowheads is tired and is of very little value now. I'm off and I'm sure that I won't be missed. |
It's not an airport. No need to announce your departure.
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@JayRo, @pam w,
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
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