@snowball, to make clear in my judgment that its not to the detriment of the core ski, just that those Kastlè seem to have focused particularly on adding a GS element to that very capable allround type sky to give that extended balance.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Thanks, that's interesting, but I was really wondering if I were to to decide to ski just pistes again, for a day or two, on a proper dedicated piste ski - what might be worth a try (not a replacement for my current ski which does me very well for what I normally do).
Just to make clear, I like to ski quite fast and like steep slopes (not that any pistes are all that steep).
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
@ski3, Hmmm, I tried the ̶S̶a̶l̶o̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶8̶0̶ ̶ when it came out (on a heli ski week with other wide skis back to back) and it was really disappointing. I don't think there was anything very revolutionary about it ... *no was the pocket rocket
@ski3, Hmmm, I tried the ̶S̶a̶l̶o̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶8̶0̶ ̶ when it came out (on a heli ski week with other wide skis back to back) and it was really disappointing. I don't think there was anything very revolutionary about it ... *no was the pocket rocket
Yes by that time the name extension/brand leverage had effectively branded into that other product arena.
I understand what you mean and should give more detail to that I've posted to define what I thought then.
My understanding of it at that time (original yellow 1080 1st iteration) is that attributes that some may have tried blending into conventional ski edge, torsional response effect etc, specifically by dulling tip tail edge detail was accomplished by that particular mix of flex/torsion/tip & tail rise and all its rounded performance this produced. Was it an ultimate, no. Was it a vector into different ski philosophy, yes I believe it was.
Straight out of the box and with no prep, sharp edges end to end it incorporated the designed attributes into a ski that anyone could clip on and see for themselves. Particularly easy to turn but with front or rear response if you loaded those more dramatically, never and I really mean NEVER hanging up by catching the tip or tail to off balance the skier, seemingly able to land them from any odd angle with them just falling into line and making the skier look good. So many subtle attributes built-in to what looks like such a simple ski.
Amusingly, skiing with a ski instructor friend in Samöens, he on full fis slalom skis, we swapped to try each other's with what you'll expect as observation, just huge contrast, but that's the point of making the 1080 in the first place, to step out of convention.
He thought my 1080 were awful by the way but then he could ski the fis skis like wet silk sliding down the piste. Interesting comparison though.
I feel that 1080 opened most designer's eyes to possibility that they just didn't view beforehand.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Yep re 1080 subtle and good … the late and great JP Auclair (and others in the New Canadian Air Force) gave major design input….
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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
That's the point of doing it differently surely, in that it splits opinion, with that contest then providing the most productive development path with increasing input to that sphere of thinking. Ultimately that tension speeds the pace of thinking, verification and simply the amount of people that are included being drawn to the topic.
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Thanks @valais2, also running Crank Brothers wheels in 26 fitted to Orange 223 along with Totem fork
I certainly get the "faults" pointed out to me when near certain cycling types
As with the 1080, all interesting design.
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@ski3,
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Nothing wrong with 26", most of us started on them and rode them for years...my hardtail is still fitted with them...but my slacker bouncer is 27.5 and a whole bundle of fun!
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@ski3, Nice rig. I’ve just given my Orange Alpine 160 26er to Yves to join the SMS fleet - perhaps regretted it mildly since Yves threw it down the hill and said ‘that’s a seriously capable bike…’ which indeed it is (was). Both Yves and I are around 170 tall, and 26 can serve us perfectly well. 26 ain’t dead…
But I must say my 29ers are bloody fantastic - Cotic bfeMax and Stanton Switch9er. For the Alps I run a Transition Sentinel with extra rear travel courtesy Cascade Linkages - but may for this season get a canyon sender to join my son’s….
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
I always knew downhillers were geekier than skiers
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
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I always knew downhillers were geekier than skiers
Yep, far more angles to go at for the DH crowd
During covid restriction we rode DH everywhere within, ahem, loose radius of home address to comply.
Urban downhill, all stairs, speed humps on down grades etc become part of the scenery if you change approach to immediate surroundings, get out at quiet times and crunch some effort into it.
Managed various loops of up to 35~50miles in varied terrain, certainly made us fitter, funny when mixing with the roady boys in their favoured locality and the pace differential.
All good though, and came out fitter than started by some considerable margin.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
@gixxerniknik, @valais2, yes there's some really good design and bikes in general available and out & about isn't there.
We are interested in anything really, all the design input etc. Son is studying design currently, hands on experience all part of the fabric, gets us involved building, riding, maintaining plus all the fitness and fun too.
What I like is the thinking being so diverse for essentially the same thing, or close to it. Good to try different design philosophy too to understand the effect.
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but then he could ski the fis skis like wet silk sliding down the piste. Interesting comparison though.
