 Poster: A snowHead
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| philwig wrote: |
| Guvnor wrote: |
| .....doesn't give me the right to dictate how others choose to live their life though |
Which is precisely what you do if you smoke in a room with anyone who isn't.
So we're agreed on that: you have no right to make me breathe cancer smoke. |
You, as a sanctimonious non-smoker, have the choice to either stay in the bar in question, or to go to a bar where smoking is not permitted. The smoker, should they wish to smoke, does not have that choice...what more do you want, Nazi?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Gordyjh, @Guvnor, Stinking Cancer Speaders
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Other ski countries are available for those who do not like Austrian regulations. However, though for various reasons, I don't think that I shall ski in Austria again, I should be delighted to be able to return, and though I am a non smoker I doubt that I would find a major problem.
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More than happy for everyone to go to France instead. More spaces on the heated 8er chairlifts, and more snow for me.
Never had a fag in my life.
Italy was the strange country. It was the law to smoke there, and then one day a comprehensive ban was in place, before most other EU countries.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@achilles, It’s certainly a major problem for those who have health conditions that are exacerbated by smoke and absolutely galling to be forced out of a Bar by the extreme inconsiderateness of some smokers, who keep lighting up even when the atmosphere is already thick with smoke. We’ve found ourselves in this situation, for example, when socialising with friends or watching a live band.
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| stanton wrote: |
| Yesterday the new Austrian Government over turned a planned total smoking ban in Restaurants/Bars etc planned for May 2018. |
The muppets.
I've upped and left restaurants before when some smelly b-tard on the table next to me has lit up, I've moved tables too. Dirty scumbags.
I've come close to smacking the things out of people's mouths when they start blowing their shyte over me. Fortunately I restrain myself and usually just resort to some quality British passive aggressive huffiing and coughing. 
I at least think the last time I went to Austria the larger mountain restaurants had designated areas for the smelly brigade. eg. indoors was non-smoking, then there was a huge outdoor heated gazebo for the smoking section to eat in. Of course you had to walk through that to get into or out of the restaurant - it was like passing through a dense smog !
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For the pro-smoking lobby complaining about sanctimonious non-smokers....
.... smoking is something to be entirely sanctimonious about. In fact it rates you as intellectually superior as well morally superior if you don't smoke 
You'd be sanctimonious if I didn't wash/shower/change for three weeks, stank of BO, and came and sat next to you, waved some unwashed socks in your general direction, changed my kids nappy, and farted repeatedly, whilst you were trying to enjoy your dinner..... and the waft of those doesn't give you cancer. Mind you, you probably wouldn't notice the smell over the smoke
Live your life how you want, suck it all in, enjoy it ripping your lungs, your life, whatever, the point is there is no justification you can give for blowing that crap over other people, particulary not in enclosed spaces, close quarters, or where food is concerned. I'm more than happy to be sanctimonous on that point.
And don't get me started on dick heads who light up on lifts.
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@Gazzza, Oooh, you're hard.....
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| Guvnor wrote: |
| @Gazzza, Oooh, you're hard..... |
As my 12 year old would say, "you've been owned". See you in another 6 months.
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@Gazzza, yeah, you strike me as the sort....
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| Guvnor wrote: |
| @Gazzza, yeah, you strike me as the sort.... |
And you strike me as the other sort :
| Guvnor wrote: |
Guvnor
FreeRider
Posts: 5063
Location: gone dogging
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You know it makes sense.
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if - in his opinion - he has assessed that most smokers are old and stupid
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One could reasonably opine that all smokers are stupid and that some smokers are old. Statement of fact - don't see it as ageist myself (and I am definitely old). If he had made the general claim that "old people are stupid" then I'd have objected too.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Gazzza, the other sort? Is there another sort these days? Is this some sort of non-binary crap I don't know about?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Well this is a nice thread.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| honved wrote: |
| Well this is a nice thread. |
It's not tiddly-winks, Poppet...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyone being gratuitously rude about Germknoedel will feel the wrath of all of my prejudices. You have all been warned.
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I'm pretty sure no-one has ever forced me to go into a smoky bar. If the smoking laws will influence where you want to ski then thats fine by me. Its called choice and we have far too little of it these days. I've more time for people who would defend their right to smoke and make me choose to go elsewhere than those who demand to have their preference for no smoke imposed on everyone else.
I don't smoke and never have but generally speaking I dislike the French (with some exceptions) more than I do smoking therefore would prefer to be in a smoky Austrian bar than a smoke free French one. No offence intended.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I love that the thread has gone from insulting either smokers or non-smokers to insulting entire nations. 
Gotta love forums.
| robboj wrote: |
| Its called choice and we have far too little of it these days. I've more time for people who would defend their right to smoke and make me choose to go elsewhere than those who demand to have their preference for no smoke imposed on everyone else. |
That's contradictory from the point of fact that if not for a ban then every bar/restaurant is/was smokey, so you'd have had no choice of elsewhere (obviously other than staying home).
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| robboj wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure no-one has ever forced me to go into a smoky bar. |
However, without a ban the you will have no choice - so you will either not be entering any bar or have to put up with it - even though it is detrimental to your health and entirely avoidable and as a non-smoker you would be in the large majority of users.
| robboj wrote: |
| Its called choice and we have far too little of it these days. |
Care to expand? I appear to have more choices than ever - almost too many. So I am intrigued as to what choices have been removed from you.
| robboj wrote: |
| I've more time for people who would defend their right to smoke and make me choose to go elsewhere than those who demand to have their preference for no smoke imposed on everyone else. |
Did you lose your common sense recently or did it fly the coop a long time ago?
| robboj wrote: |
| I don't smoke and never have but generally speaking I dislike the French (with some exceptions) more than I do smoking |
Interesting leap and comparison...
| robboj wrote: |
| therefore would prefer to be in a smoky Austrian bar than a smoke free French one. No offence intended. |
None taken. I am not French and never have been.
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All those bars serving alcohol also upset my Mormon sensibilities......and as for those restaurants, serving up food, when my wife has significant weight related health issues.....
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I misread that as moron for a minute. Oh, hold on....
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I love that the thread has gone from insulting either smokers or non-smokers to insulting entire nations
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 That was pretty predictable....
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@Layne, not too keen on anyone with an alternative opinion, are you? Let me guess, are you a Momentum member?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@stanton, out of interest, what does the lift operator do about it?
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You know it makes sense.
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| robboj wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure no-one has ever forced me to go into a smoky bar. |
| Layne wrote: |
| , without a ban the you will have no choice - so you will either not be entering any bar or have to put up with it - even though it is detrimental to your health and entirely avoidable and as a non-smoker you would be in the large majority of users. |
There are already bars that have properly divided and separate areas so I'm quite happy. Being alive is detrimental to everyones health so I'm pretty ambivalent about some cigarette smoke.
| robboj wrote: |
| Its called choice and we have far too little of it these days. |
| Layne wrote: |
| to expand? I appear to have more choices than ever - almost too many. So I am intrigued as to what choices have been removed from you. |
Your point of view vs my point of view.
| robboj wrote: |
| I've more time for people who would defend their right to smoke and make me choose to go elsewhere than those who demand to have their preference for no smoke imposed on everyone else. |
| Layne wrote: |
| you lose your common sense recently or did it fly the coop a long time ago? |
No. Did you become a smart-a8se recently or has that always been the case?
| robboj wrote: |
| I don't smoke and never have but generally speaking I dislike the French (with some exceptions) more than I do smoking |
| Layne wrote: |
| Interesting leap and comparison... |
| robboj wrote: |
| therefore would prefer to be in a smoky Austrian bar than a smoke free French one. No offence intended. |
| Layne wrote: |
| None taken. I am not French and never have been. |
No need to split my comment into two but perhaps you missed the irony in my response to those who say they won't ski In Austria because of cigarette smoke.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gazzza wrote: |
I love that the thread has gone from insulting either smokers or non-smokers to insulting entire nations.
Gotta love forums.
| robboj wrote: |
| Its called choice and we have far too little of it these days. I've more time for people who would defend their right to smoke and make me choose to go elsewhere than those who demand to have their preference for no smoke imposed on everyone else. |
That's contradictory from the point of fact that if not for a ban then every bar/restaurant is/was smokey, so you'd have had no choice of elsewhere (obviously other than staying home). |
Not in practicality. Some bars are non-smoking, most have separate areas. If I want to go into a bar that doesn't have I still would.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I watched my mum fight her addiction to tobacco for decades until it put her in Intensive Care (again, led to increasing frailty in her last years, and premature death in her sixties. Every ban is a step in the right direction. This evil trade needs stubbed out.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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i was in soll a couple of years ago and at lunch time found a small out of the way mountain restaurant, i am a non smoker and this place had no segregation, but as no one else was in it if was fine, it was self service so i self served myself a portion of chips and went to the check out, where a dear old soul of about 75 smoking like a chimney blew her smoke all over my meal, i told her that was not very nice and stormed out. austria is a no no country for me now, but if all the skier smokers went there that would leave us non smokers to enjoy france and italy.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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A group of 8 of us managed to get the last booking slot in a tiny steak restaurant in Schladming a few years ago. We had been before and knew the food was delicious. We were the only customers in, our steaks were served and we had just began eating when the owner, his wife and a couple of their friends sat down opposite us and all 4 of them started smoking. The smoke drifted over us and our food and our request for them to stop was met with a sneering refusal. You should have seen their faces when we put our jackets on and opened up the windows behind us letting in the snow and freezing air before sitting back down to finish our steaks. They moved first !
We went to the Mexican the year after that.
ATB
Andy.
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Drivers of diesel vehicles are mass murderers! Discuss.
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @stanton, out of interest, what does the lift operator do about it? |
I have only done this twice as other times just just saying "excusevme it is not allowed to smoke on the lifts" is enough.
Lift operators will say the same thing in an official capacity and write it down in their report ,make sure they do.!!
This is normally enough for the offender to stop because they will be warned next time will be a lift ticket gone & police...
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Btw . This has nothing to do with Health (cancer) of fellow passengers.
Cigarettes butts etc are fire hazard in the summer months. Thousands of butt debris under the lifts when the snow melts.
Also some modern Ski Clothing is highly inflamable..do you want to be stuck on a lift with a fireball?
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| stanton wrote: |
| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @stanton, out of interest, what does the lift operator do about it? |
I have only done this twice as other times just just saying "excusevme it is not allowed to smoke on the lifts" is enough.
Lift operators will say the same thing in an official capacity and write it down in their report ,make sure they do.!!
This is normally enough for the offender to stop because they will be warned next time will be a lift ticket gone & police... |
So why/how is it legal to smoke in bars/restaurants (enclosed space) but not on lifts (chair lifts in the open air or are we talking gondolas/cabins. Is non-smoking lifts just a lift company rule? Seems not if the police can be called.
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Rather than discriminating against smokers, non smokers, whole nations I find it much easier to just hate everyone equally.
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As long as you eat a Med or Alpine lifestyle, to counter it, you're all good.
Austria:
Cigarettes smoked pp py = 2000.
Life expectancy = 82.
UK:
Cigarettes smoked pp py = 800.
Life expectancy = 81.
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| robboj wrote: |
| Being alive is detrimental to everyones health so I'm pretty ambivalent about some cigarette smoke. |
Do you talk sh*te constantly?
| robboj wrote: |
| Your point of view vs my point of view. |
So you've no answer then and you were talking nonsense when you said we have too little choice these days.
| robboj wrote: |
| No. Did you become a smart-a8se recently or has that always been the case? |
Depends who you are pitching me up against.
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