jbob, Thanks for the info. A mate recommended looking at the K2's, so interesting to get your feed back. He was suggesting the Shreditors or the Annex. Thanks
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Brother has the Shreditor 120, pretty heavy, damp, little more jibby but he was able to lay them over just fine (had to concentrate though). Float well obviously. Got them from Roman Rohrmoser and he was doing crazy stuff on them before... so no excuses
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dulcamara wrote:
Down's pre-season sale has got me all hot under collar, so I have decided to start dreaming early this year
Last season sucked, so this one will be all levels of EPIC! As such I will NEED a new tool!
I ask the question,
What is the greatest powder slaying plank on this beautiful planet?
1. Not narrower than 110 not wider than 130
2. No noodles!
3. We are not floating down japanese rice fields, this is an alpine machine
4. It's just me but you can ignore it, i don't really want a pin tail (reason why i haven't order a pair of down SD115s yet)
5. If the radius is under 20m there better be a good reason for it!
6. Not under 185cm
I was on this http://www.downskis.com/skis/countdown-114 equivalent last year (CDC4) for Euro powder and chopped up powder resort days, Lift served (Flaine, Cham, Tignes). Very happy, couldn't get it to "carve trenches on the groomers" but certainly never lost the group ( some on Mantras, Gotamas, Rossi Soul 7) and more often led it on the piste. Not as "Slarvey" or pivoty as my DPS Wailer 112 (190) but better in Euro variable snow on the way to and from the powder and more like a Fall Line, directional , "charger" when there. Could still throw some short shapes through trees though! Not surprising as the Downs have a bigger radius! More akin to the DPS Wailer 112 RPC by shape I think. The other comment I 'd make is how much more energy I had at the end of each day than the rest of my group on the off piste course I used them for in Tignes. Whole days with lower swing weight make a big difference!
QK'd for Look Pivots, Mounted at Downs recommendation. Skier - 100 kg, 185 cm. Standard/Style: should know better by now.... Flex felt just right
I would def be looking at the Down offers - if you need to switch horses and it is an epic season, I don't think you can lose much at these prices.
On the other hand if you want big, heavy, crusher I ve got some 2013 Kuros in 195 with marker Jester demo bindings that have to go in the pre season - just outside your 130 limit but you might want to man up. Super cheap! ex demo and then used by me for a day. Cost me £300 yours for £200 or bid me....
if we're getting into pimping old skis, how about my Dynastar Legend XXLs - 194 cm of race room goodness. 109mm underfoot but what's 1mm between friends
i reckon they'd be right up your street and i'd let them go for not too much
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Arno, Wanna buy a pair of 186 Ski Logik Howitzers? or 192 old Scott Pures
Sorry guys, looking for something pretty specific along the lines of the Kusala Pow, 4FRNT renegade, Blizzard Bodacious etc.
Down may have a solution, waiting to see
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dulcamara, oh well, always worth throwing them out there. seems a shame to have them sitting in my cupboard not getting used. awesome ski for the right pilot, which is not me sadly
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dulcamara wrote:
......Sorry guys, looking for something pretty specific along the lines of the Kusala Pow, 4FRNT renegade, Blizzard Bodacious......
The Kusala Pow and the Bodacious are totally different skis! The Blizzard Spur would be the comparison to the Kusala. Wouldn't call the Bodacious a powder ski due to its flat tail and metal content.
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spyderjon, i know they're different but both totally workable for me.... (stiff, floats, grips, breaks when I want it to)
Spur looks great but not paying full price when it comes out
Though not sure I agree that metal and a flat tail stops a ski being a "powder ski", unless by powder we mean soft floaty thing (Kusala is too stiff for that as well)
"added point, in my books flip-core gives it a slightly rockered tail "
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dulcamara wrote:
....added point, in my books flip-core gives it a slightly rockered tail "
Don't believe the marketing hype. The Brahma/Bonafide/Cochise/Bodacious are great skis but the flip-core ends a considerable distance from the tail after which there's a plastic infill.
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dulcamara wrote:
...Though not sure I agree that metal and a flat tail stops a ski being a "powder ski", unless by powder we mean soft floaty thing.....
I agree but metal adds a lot of weight & the stiffness required can be achieved with a non-metal construction or, even better, with a carbon construction. I think most would expect a powder specific ski to have either tail rocker or at least a semi pintail.
The SD115 or WD Redeemer (trad or CL) should tick all your boxes.
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Considering the CD0's from last year... sexy ski
Semi-interesting point though, is it only rocker/reverse camber if the wood is bent out. This offset below comes from the shape of the core (i assume that's the case, im not sure) it has the effect of reducing pressure on the tails but is it really reverse camber?
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No one mentioned the Rosi S7. They were everywhere this winter.
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jbob, great point - I skied the Savoury 7's on the EOSB test and was massively impressed. The Ellis Brigham guys thought the Sin 7's would be more my kind of ski, so I'll be keeping an eye out for those on test next winter
But - in my experience I'd have put them between my Down 6's and my Scott Luna's (86mm underfoot), though admittedly closer to the Down 6's, so more all mountain than a full on powder weapon. The S7 range is so big now though, they might well have something more powder focussed than I skied. Absolutely lovely skis anyway.
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jbob wrote:
No one mentioned the Rosi S7. They were everywhere this winter.
Best marketing aligned to a decent mainstream product. Dunno if there is a hint of " my first rocker" about them. While the original S7 was probably a benchmark ski the range of Supermercado7 is now so big there's not really a hint of what the reference ski is.
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Right! Boys at down have hooked me up with a pair of last years Countdown 0's, which look sick! (150-124-139) (a tad wide in the tip in my fussy opinion, but I have other planks for coral reef)
Step the second, Quiver Killer inserts and Lord SP bindings!!
New Aftermarket liner in my Dynafit Vulcans and hey presto...
?? Best powder Weapons on the plant??
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jbob wrote:
Dublinfella, I swapped them for some K2 Hardsides with f12 bindings.
The Hardsides have been greatish this year and I've skied them almost every day whatever the snow or place, they have been solid at everything, a proper one ski quiver. I've used them with my at boots so maximum comfort and a really light setup, however while they have been ok on all snow from deep powder to hard pack they are not great at anything and are certainly not the grin inducing sticks in the deep stuff the preachers were. Truth is I don't need to have a one ski quiver I have a large estate car and two garages at my disposal ffs, and while I did need to lighten up a bit, I missed my powder day skis.
I will not get rid of my Preachers until they actually fall apart on me. OK, so not a reverse camber powder specialist, but those wide tips gave me float even in the deepest stuff I could find last season. And as jbob said - really, really fun to ride: they make you feel like a hero, and are so nicely balanced when you jump off things, making for a crackingly stable landing platform. Lovely skis.
Downside? Damned heavy things -something apparently remedied by the Carbonlite versions. Frankly dreadful on hardpack/boilerplate with less than boot sole depth powder (you need to angulate in a silly fashion to even hope to rail them properly) even with relatively lightweight Marker Jesters fitted.
I love these skis. I tried the same company's Redeemers and while better in powder, worse at everything else. Same for the (very pretty) Du Praz things I spent a week on. Less technical to ski and more fun than the DPS Wailer 112 too - borrowed these in Chamonix for 3 days - lovely, light and agile with big tip rocker for float. but the Preacher is just more fun and is a lot more more stable at high speeds in powder, I found.
.........Frankly dreadful on hardpack/boilerplate with less than boot sole depth powder (you need to angulate in a silly fashion to even hope to rail them properly) even with relatively lightweight Marker Jesters fitted.
Indeed. It's a compromise. And it's not one I make: I decide which terrain I'm going to ride (back country or resort), and pick a tool for that job.
Arguing with people about what works in powder can be frustrating as typically people think "powder" is 15cms of fluff on hardpack. I even saw someone riding a powder board at Milton Keynes. Well there are those artificial snow shavings to negotiate...
I will not get rid of my Preachers until they actually fall apart on me. OK, so not a reverse camber powder specialist, but those wide tips gave me float even in the deepest stuff I could find last season. And as jbob said - really, really fun to ride: they make you feel like a hero, and are so nicely balanced when you jump off things, making for a crackingly stable landing platform. Lovely skis.
Downside? Damned heavy things -something apparently remedied by the Carbonlite versions. Frankly dreadful on hardpack/boilerplate with less than boot sole depth powder (you need to angulate in a silly fashion to even hope to rail them properly) even with relatively lightweight Marker Jesters fitted.
I love these skis. I tried the same company's Redeemers and while better in powder, worse at everything else. Same for the (very pretty) Du Praz things I spent a week on. Less technical to ski and more fun than the DPS Wailer 112 too - borrowed these in Chamonix for 3 days - lovely, light and agile with big tip rocker for float. but the Preacher is just more fun and is a lot more more stable at high speeds in powder, I found.
Guess it all comes down to personal opinion/technique...
I never really got on with Preachers, can't really put my finger on it, though I'm not a huge fan of very shaped skis and monster shovels.
On the other hand I have both the traditional and Carbonlite Redeemers and they are great skis - and I ski them in pretty much all conditions. Yeah you are not exactly going to expect to carve perfect tramlines on hardpack on them, but perfectly skiable.
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stuarth wrote:
Harry Flashman wrote:
I will not get rid of my Preachers until they actually fall apart on me. OK, so not a reverse camber powder specialist, but those wide tips gave me float even in the deepest stuff I could find last season. And as jbob said - really, really fun to ride: they make you feel like a hero, and are so nicely balanced when you jump off things, making for a crackingly stable landing platform. Lovely skis.
Downside? Damned heavy things -something apparently remedied by the Carbonlite versions. Frankly dreadful on hardpack/boilerplate with less than boot sole depth powder (you need to angulate in a silly fashion to even hope to rail them properly) even with relatively lightweight Marker Jesters fitted.
I love these skis. I tried the same company's Redeemers and while better in powder, worse at everything else. Same for the (very pretty) Du Praz things I spent a week on. Less technical to ski and more fun than the DPS Wailer 112 too - borrowed these in Chamonix for 3 days - lovely, light and agile with big tip rocker for float. but the Preacher is just more fun and is a lot more more stable at high speeds in powder, I found.
Guess it all comes down to personal opinion/technique...
I never really got on with Preachers, can't really put my finger on it, though I'm not a huge fan of very shaped skis and monster shovels.
On the other hand I have both the traditional and Carbonlite Redeemers and they are great skis - and I ski them in pretty much all conditions. Yeah you are not exactly going to expect to carve perfect tramlines on hardpack on them, but perfectly skiable.
So true - skis are such a subjective thing!
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IMO (and therefore a fact)
Most skis have their place, If you can only carry one ski, are mostly on or near the piste sure the preachers all sorts of fun.
If you can afford (or can be ärsed to carry) a dedicated off piste ski as well, have a go on something with rocker and a longer radius, you will never take the preacher out back again.
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Blimey, Preachers as your only skis? For mostly on piste?
Rather you than me.
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Blimey, Preachers as your only skis? For mostly on piste?
Rather you than me.
This. No matter what the reviews/SH Whitedot Fan Club says, they are pretty poor on hardpack. You may not think so until you try a proper piste ski, but they are. The thing is that they are tolerable on hard piste and fun when you have a bit of loose snow, but pretty good off to the sides of the piste. A decent, fun compromise? Yes. A one ski quiver? No way.
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I beg to differ. There is no such thing as a universal "1 ski does all". Every ski has a bias towards something. If piste skiing is your main thing with a little off piste the Preacher would be a rubbish"1 ski does all" if however you ski mostly off piste with a wee bit on piste the Preacher along with many other similar skis would make a great "1 ski does all"
Choose your bias, then choose your weapon accordingly.
In answer to the original question, Redeemer CL 190.
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Hehe Dot., could your bias be a little more brand than condition driven
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Blimey, Preachers as your only skis? For mostly on piste?
Rather you than me.
misquoting me a little there buddy, "mostly on OR NEAR the piste"
I can see how a short radius, normally cambered, wide, damp ski could be an all-round ski.... not my cup of tea, but I see the target market, inbound all-over skiing for those whose technique and disposition matches...
I'm ponsey enough that I don't have to settle on one ski. But if i'm unsure of conditions heading out I take a 110mm waist rocker-camber-rocker ski (BD Zealot) and it rarely disappoints. Have some race skis, didnt use them once last season, (though that was a pitty).
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Serriadh wrote:
Blimey, Preachers as your only skis? For mostly on piste?
Rather you than me.
This. No matter what the reviews/SH Whitedot Fan Club says, they are pretty poor on hardpack. You may not think so until you try a proper piste ski, but they are. The thing is that they are tolerable on hard piste and fun when you have a bit of loose snow, but pretty good off to the sides of the piste. A decent, fun compromise? Yes. A one ski quiver? No way.
Unless you are going to be a racer kid and also cart a pair of GS skis up the mountain, just in case you are going to ski hard snow, then whilst a valid point, I'm not sure it is not entirely relevant. Since the question was what is the best powder ski then the answer is the best powder ski, taking into consideration that you have to get to the pow and the pow may not be in perfect condition (unless lucky enough to have a helicopter/cat handy!), therefore a ski that is truly excellent off the trail in all conditions and is adequate getting there is by definition the best ski for this job.
As a rule, and quite possibly due to a lack of talent, I'd rather be in a tough spot off-piste with Redeemers than GS skis - there is nowhere on-piste the opposite applies. In quite a lot of days over the entire season, I got talked out of skiing my redeemers only once (to ski a GS course on a really hard hardpack morning). Swapped for some crappy "all-mountain" Atomics, crashed, smashed phone - changed back to Redeemers, they did fine-ish (though then swapped for Mantras the next day which actually are probably better all-rounders - I did also have proper GS skis in the truck but I can never really quite bring myself to get them out).
For variation I did start the season on my traditional Redeemer "rock skis", before moving to Carbonlite Redeemers
By the way if you like to ski super shaped skis and then swap to something very fat underfoot, no-camber, rockered, and non-cheater shaped, then initially you are likely to think they suck on hard snow as this exaggerates the difference.
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Dot. wrote:
I beg to differ. There is no such thing as a universal "1 ski does all". Every ski has a bias towards something. If piste skiing is your main thing with a little off piste the Preacher would be a rubbish"1 ski does all" if however you ski mostly off piste with a wee bit on piste the Preacher along with many other similar skis would make a great "1 ski does all"
Choose your bias, then choose your weapon accordingly.
In answer to the original question, Redeemer CL 190.
You have a point! Why next season the Preachers are being helped out with something a bit more piste orientated for no-pow days.
Why oh why could you guys have not done a stiffer One with a deeper sidecut...? Loved mine until I finally killed them...
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Just bought a pair of Atomic Automatics 1/2 price off Ellis Brigham, not much snow at the mo tho........................
Why anyone wants to float on powder is beyond me ... If you're going over 120 get a snowboard .. ..Otherwise stick to 98 to 105 ( due to rule 3 ) and drop the knee !
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Have to agree with the above on the Preacher, super ski if your wanting a one ski, that will handle off piste, side of the piste and some piste, the carbon I think is more lively than the standard ski, with more snap to it. In rough snow, they are one of the best skis around.
A bit of video from the last PSB in Tignes lots of crusty stuff around that week, so was fun in places!
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