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4180 copies of each issue were given away last year
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What's all this vindictiveness towards the Ski Club GB about? I and my family have been members for over 10 years now and have received quite a lot of benefit from our membership with the discounts we receive when buying skis/ snowboards, clothing etc. Enough to pay for the membership and more!
I also had the opportunity to ski with one of their leaders in Banff last season and saw some parts of the mountain that I would have not have found if skiing on my own. Ye,s I agree that in the past their image has been a little 'stuffy' and 'middle aged-class' but they are trying to move on from that and as a 53 year old skier that loves free ride type skiing and off piste ventures I think their Freshtracks holidays look pretty decent.
So how about getting off their back and just accept they they are part of our great skiing community?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The vindictiveness between them and us finished about 8 years ago.
Most sH are either members that make use of the benefits, or not members and have no use for those benefits.
It's only Goldsmith and 1 Ski Club member that seek attention and keep poking. Not sure whether Goldsmith is more concerned about the history of a historic club or just trying to get the badge of being the most persistent poster to a thread that 99.999% of sH couldn't care less about, and get some kind of special post count award for getting his thread to the top of the number of views chart (despite the fact it was started by a Ski Club member, not him).
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| andy wrote: |
| The vindictiveness between them and us finished about 8 years ago. |
On an official level that seems rather inaccurate, historically. snowHeads received a series of legal threats from the SCGB during 2011, claiming ownership of the phrase "Ski Club". There have been more recent claims of inter-club squabbles on the slopes of Tignes, though I wasn't a witness.
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| Not sure whether Goldsmith is more concerned about the history of a historic club or just trying to get the badge of being the most persistent poster |
Neither. I'd have thought it was obvious by now that these postings are journalistic - i.e. intended to assist in drawing out the truths and fairness of a situation, rather than some sort of personal hang-up. And when I say "truths", that's to say truths in all dimensions - holistically. The SCGB asserts its status as a "spokesbody" or "voice" of British skiers [words in quotes are those of the Club] - and is active in the public domain and national media. The Club holds very significant archives, a library and other physical resources that are - indeed - important in the story of British skiing. I'm concerned about the way the SCGB operates, what it says, and why it seems to run in the interests of a small minority of its members (about 10% to 15%) at the expense of all members. History - particularly in terms of the founding goals and values of the Ski Club of Great Britain - is certainly important in looking at all this in perspective.
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| ... it was started by a Ski Club member, not him). |
That's wrong as well. It seemed pretty obvious from the OP (original posting/poster) that this thread commenced from the SCGB's HQ, and was probably started by a non-member (member of staff).
Andy, I understand that you're a rocket scientist. This is not rocket science!
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Unsold copies get pulped. |
It's true (not pulp fiction). They don't go to Oxfam shops.
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street arc, A little bit of history of snowHeads and the SCGB is to be found here, from 2004
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=41
If you are really interested there is a SCGB section on snowHeads but you may need a ski host or perhaps a leader to find it.
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| street arc wrote: |
| What's all this vindictiveness towards the Ski Club GB about? |
I've been told Goldsmith hates the Ski Club of Great Britain because he wasn't given the editorship of the mag, Ski Survey, way back in the 80s. The SCGB's Council didn't want him and, as the Council was made up mostly of Club Leaders (Reps as they were then), he especially hates the Leading service.
He's spent the last 30-years trying to get his own back.
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PJSki/Gerry Aitken/Tim Brown/Pippin [Sock Club of Great Britain. 25% year-on-year membership expansion],
Sure that makes perfect sense. The six most recent editors of the SCGB's magazines (commencing with my first article in 1976) - that's Elisabeth Hussey, Tessa Coker, Roland White, Jane Slade, Gill Williams and Arnie Wilson - clearly all believe I have a terminal grudge against leaders/reps of the Club because of not inheriting the editor's office chair (once occupied by the literary buttocks of Sir Arnold Lunn).
Yes, that makes absolutely perfect sense. All six of these editors have commissioned me to write ski articles for them because they think I'm after their job.
Have you thought of entering for 'Troll of the Year' at the World Snow Awards? You're a dead cert.
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David the same might be said of you.
But you are politer than PJski.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Thank you. I'd politely point out to the brasshole who produced the 'Net Troll Award' that it has three mis-spellings. This does not assist its prestige.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Comedy Goldsmith, you were passed up for the editorship. Obviously you thought you were in line for the top job. The fact subsequent editors kept you on as a mere infrequent contributor has no bearing on the fact your appointment was blocked by the Council, hence the large chip on your shoulder.
Several sources have confirmed these facts to me. BTW, not seen any of your articles in Ski & Board in recent years, so clearly you've been dropped completely.
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Fri 11-10-13 18:35; edited 1 time in total
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| PJSki wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith, you were past up for the editorship. |
You'd be passed up (for editorship) as well, for that.
| PJSki wrote: |
| Obviously you thought you were in line for the top job. |
Correct - that's why one applies for a job.
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| The fact subsequent editors kept you on as a mere infrequent contributor |
Infrequent contributor? I was equipment editor of the magazine for 4 out of 6 of those editors!
| PJSki wrote: |
| your appointment was blocked by the Council |
Maybe. Alternatively, the appointment was given to a superior candidate. What's next?
| PJSki wrote: |
| large chip on your shoulder. |
Carried too many skis on ski tests for the magazine. Occupational hazard.
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| Several sources have confirmed these facts to me. |
Several Chinese whisperers, in a phone box. They're not facts.
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| not seen any of your articles in Ski & Board in recent years, so clearly you've been dropped completely. |
I did one about the pre-history and history of ski equipment for the centennial edition of the magazine in 2003. Sorry you've been kept waiting so long!
... And have a nice weekend, Gerry
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You know it makes sense.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| The fact subsequent editors kept you on as a mere infrequent contributor |
Infrequent contributor? I was equipment editor of the magazine for 4 out of 6 of those editors!
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You make it sound so grand, but all you were was a part-timer on a part-time ski mag. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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If I gave a poo-poo......
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Poster: A snowHead
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Goldsmith doesnt need your poo poo, he's already full of it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If Carlsberg did forums...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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even a 4 yr old could do more grown up arguments... ffs...
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| mcspreader wrote: |
| poo-poo |
Should it be hyphenated, or unhyphenated?
I couldn't give a shit! [apologies to sH auto-poo translator]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It's a quiet autumn on the (other) New Ski Club of Great Britain chat forum but SCGB director Gerry Aitken has decided to set the cat amongst the pigeons (or the vole amongst the marmottes, to be snowier).
http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/membersonly/snowtalk/discussion.aspx/Skiing-general?discussionID=14511#.Um0xtlPf5xU
The SCGB promise/policy couldn't be clearer on this ...
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| Every evening, Leaders also host a social hour where you can relax with other members after a memorable day of thrills and spills on the slopes. |
[ Source: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/skiclubleaders/whyskiwithaskiclubleader.aspx#.Um00H1Pf5xU ]
... so if Leaders (reps) aren't organising drinkies, that's yet another decline in service/contact/purpose. Why aren't the Club's directors simply encouraging the policy to be followed, rather than 'going public' on it? When I first joined the SCGB in the 1960s the Club had a good social scene going in the resorts. There were informative posters/bulletins up in all hotels etc. where British skiers were staying, lots of weekly ski proficiency tests (bronze, silver, gold) to encourage members to ski better, and the rest of the programme. The reps recruited most new members.
On top of the massive cost increases of installing SCGB reps in resorts, matched by the big decline in members skiing with them, maybe it's time to call it a day. This service seems increasingly redundant.
In the meantime, is Gerry Aitken right? Should the SCGB provide its members with what they're promised?
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Comedy Goldsmith, you may be talking about different things. I read apres-ski drinks to be stopping off for a few straight after skiing and not the advertised social hour.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
You seem to be correct, AB Ski, since the thread concerned ...
http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/membersonly/snowtalk/discussion.aspx/Skiing-general?discussionID=14511#.Um1OXlPf5xU
... now has additional comment to that effect.
Although comments by Kevin Stephens about only using the leader system in Argentiere merely add to the confusion. There's no ski club rep in La Grave!
As for SCGB reps joining their groups for an apres-ski drink (i.e. immediately after skiing), I guess they're in a similar situation to any instructor or guide (in that regard only). It's up to them! |
What are you going on about?
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PJSki, you've inserted quoted words that don't exist. Your post states "edited 1 time in total".
I suggest you re-edit it!
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
PJSki, you've inserted quoted words that no longer exist after I removed them realising my stupid mistake. Your post states "edited 1 time in total".
I suggest you re-edit it! |
Fixed that for you
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
PJSki, you've inserted quoted words that don't exist. Your post states "edited 1 time in total".
I suggest you re-edit it! |
It's what you typed. You must have edited while I was replying and before I posted.
I'm sure someone else read it and can confirm it's what you posted.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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There's no trace of me editing anything, as is obvious. phpBB does not recognise/confirm an edit until a subsequent posting has been made.
What's the point of quoting something that doesn't exist?
The actual issue here is GerrySki / PJ Aitken asserting that SCGB Leaders should have a jar with their groups immediately after the last run. Why? Maybe they'd prefer to head home for a nice hot bath and a massage (or maybe even a sesh on snowHeads). After all, a couple of hours later they've got to host their social hour.
Is that unreasonable?
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You know it makes sense.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
There's no trace of me editing anything, as is obvious. phpBB does not recognise/confirm an edit until a subsequent posting has been made.
What's the point of quoting something that doesn't exist any more after I realised my stupid mistake and removed it?
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There, fixed it for you.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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As you are both members of SC, why not take this Rimming extravaganza over there , to all the "members" who no doubt care.
Remember the first rule of Ski club.
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Poster: A snowHead
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^^hear hear
(PS my account over there is now officially nuked)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Filthyphil30k, from what I can tell there is an entertaining situation now. CG, whilst a member, was banned from posting on the SCGB forum. Now that he has either been "terminated" or has resigned, he has clearly been able to register like a non-member can and start posting on their forum. Other than going MO again, there probably isn't much they can do to stop that. The guy they wanted shot of is back! And, like you suggested, the argument seems to have continued over there.
The argument seems to be over, of all things, going for a drink straight after skiing with the peeps you've just been skiing with. I'm not sure there's an argument.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller, for clarification (re. your 2nd sentence), since Gerry Aitken has publicised the fact that I am an "ex-member" of the Ski Club of Great Britain:
My resignation from the SCGB was notified to its directors on 28 August 2013, effective on the last day of my membership year - 31 October 2013.
On 19 September 2013 the SCGB's directors decided to terminate my membership. This was notified to me "with immediate effect" on 30 September 2013.
The reason for the termination - and the means by which that termination was executed - are strongly refuted, with respect to the SCGB's rules and founding principles.
David Goldsmith
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Comedy Goldsmith, the fact that you resigned and after that they still opted to terminate you, would indicate a bit of "afters" (as they say in footie) on their part. Why didn't they just accept your resignation, let the year run out and move on?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Comedy Goldsmith, and, by the way, I assume you paid for a full year? So, have you been reimbursed the £7.48 (42 days worth of a £65 membership) and, if you haven't, what are you going to do about it?
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith, the fact that you resigned and after that they still opted to terminate you, would indicate a bit of "afters" (as they say in footie) on their part. Why didn't they just accept your resignation, let the year run out and move on? |
Bode Swiller, I don't do footie so am not familiar with that expression. Is "afters" something I could identify with as "apres"?
Re. your question, I don't know because no reason was given.
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Bode Swiller, oooo...you norty bwoy
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Bode Swiller, let's look at it this way: I daresay the SCGB directors justify their action in the same way that a theatre manager might throw you out of an audience (not necessarily you - me). Would he pay you a pro-rata refund (based on the time you were ejected) of your theatre ticket?
The position is very simple: the SCGB directors state that I have broken the rules. I strongly refute this.
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Comedy Goldsmith, "Afters" is the behaviour of John Terry (Google him) - you having fairly won the ball he'll racially abuse you, run his studs up your hamstring and then shag your wife. That's "afters".
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Blimey!! I only get bread and butter pudding for afters.
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