pam w, I saw a comment that someone had hit you, how are you...how bad is the injury?
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its pretty easy to carve turns on a snowboard, so if you really want kit to help you, you could try a snowboard? The downside of course is that if you follow that course you will instantly turn into a degenerate psycho, intent on ruining everyone else's holiday by blasting down slopes at speeds beyond your ability and leaving a trail of destruction in your wake.
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monkey, You also spend as much time in this little BenZeBollocks screwing with their heads
Pedantica, there was a video once posted in BZK that I don't know how to find again, but it made a big impression on me when I saw it, and I long to ski the way the chap did in the footage. You comment on side to side action reminded me of it. I wonder if someone recognised it.
It was a skier (fairly well built chap I think) coming straight down a hill towards the camera. He seemed to do nothing but face down the hill and he remained incredibly central over his skis as his legs seemed to move from side to side under him. The side to side action was really fast, but I'd long to be able to replicate it even at lower speed. I wish I could find the video again, but I can't remember exactly what he was demonstrating vs. what the vido might be called. Do you or anyone recognise it?
Megamum, did you find the video you were looking for? Your description sounds to me that it could be someone skiing on piste as a specific training exercise to develop their mogul skiing. The video most probably wouldn't be carving but then again it doesn't need to be.
Probably wasn't this exact video but is has a few example clips.
[edit: BTW this is elston. I posted as flowa by mistake]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
elston, it could have been, but I think it was closer to the dynamic turns that the BASS skier was demonstrating (I've a notion that it may have been some national team members doing it).
but not the video I had in mind (which was on a previous thread - Only 4 years worth to go through!!) - the skier was not lightly built and IIRC was wearing a dark outfit.
However, yes the sort of thing in the BASS video, or in the one here is what I'd like to aim at in the future (is there any harm having an unattainable goal) - they make it look effortless.
In your video aren't the feet of your moful skier close together? The Austrian instructor that I had would have loved me to do that!!
The mogul skiers balance is also astounding. What I did notice is that they only cross part of the mogul at the edge and seem to go across that part rather than around it - they almost seem to straight line them
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rob@rar wrote:
Pushing your inside ski forwards at the start of the turn? No, that's really bad advice IMO.
Would be interested to know why?
I'm not saying you are wrong, but when I carve my inside ski is ahead of the outside one...
If I shouldn't be doing that then fair enough, but would like to know why before I think about changing it as it feels perfectly natural and balanced to me.
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
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After all it is free
After all it is free
Megamum from memory I think this has been posted on here before. Its not just short turns though.
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Elston, Again very similar. Anyhow, whether I can find the video or not those are the sort of turns that I'd like to work towards. They make them look so easy I watch and I wonder why I just can't copy them, but I can't. I might be able to do one if I'm on the ball, but they make them look so uniform - its not fair!!
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Megamum wrote:
However, yes the sort of thing in the BASS video, or in the one here is what I'd like to aim at in the future (is there any harm having an unattainable goal) - they make it look effortless.
No not at all. It will take plenty of effort on your part and you may never get there but you will get better. You may never get as good as you hoped but that doesn't really matter.
Megamum wrote:
In your video aren't the feet of your moful skier close together? The Austrian instructor that I had would have loved me to do that!!
The mogul skiers balance is also astounding. What I did notice is that they only cross part of the mogul at the edge and seem to go across that part rather than around it - they almost seem to straight line them
For what he is trying to achieve it is appropriate but remember it is only an exercise (or drill) to help him in the moguls, where that width stance is suitable. If you are skiing on piste like that 24/7 then the feet are too close.
[ BTW mogul skis are quite narrow and straight, so when skiing with the feet that close together the ski's tips/tails won't catch as much as say slalom skis (or BBRs lol) would ie where the ski's tips/tails are a lot wider than the waist.] [/quote]
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
cran, if your not thinking about it, you are probably fine, but if you are using it to initiate the start of your turn then... maybe stop doing it!
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
gatecrasher wrote:
Masque, one thing springs to mind when I see vids where people appear to be skiing asymmetrically is it's sometimes difficult to see for possible slope cambers on film.
You are correct, the slope did camber (I was there during filming) and this was a large cause for the "asymmetric" skiing (I would speculate the lad got caught out due to bad light and a poor inspection) Masque made a very basic error in his highly detailed analysis and bio mechanics ramblings in that he wasn't there and didn't have any knowledge of the conditions or intent of the skier. This is probably as he is used to reviewing video footage of a closed sport of gymnastics where the environment doesn't change. In an open sport such as skiing video review is quite dependent on having an understanding of the task and the environment.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
cran wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
Pushing your inside ski forwards at the start of the turn? No, that's really bad advice IMO.
Would be interested to know why?
Your inside ski will be ahead of your outside ski, and the more your centre of mass is inside your skis the greater this "inner tip lead" will be. But it should be a consequence of, and in proportion to, the angles you create. My problem with what was advocated in that Klaus Mair clip was that it was an artificial move created right at the start of the turn when there was no need to create that kind of stance. The result was hips that were excessively open (pointed to the outside of the turn), and a stance which was therefore weak.
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
skimottaret, harsh, and I did add a caveat to my posts. Coaching and judging in an arena is always live. But you're right I had no info on the conditions or intent and that an arena is a static relatively stable environment. But all you're saying is I'm wrong because I wasn't there, that's an opinion. You say it's entirely the conditions. I say different though the conditions may certainly exacerbate the way he uses his body but that doesn't mean my observations are wrong and I've kept saying I'd like to see more to be sure. If you see him again, take some more vid and we can put this to bed. If you know the lad, do some face-on single pitch shooting. I don't mind being told I'm talking out of the wrong hole but I would be good to have more to base it on than you weren't there so shove it.
Again we're back discussing extremes in an 'early intermediate' thread conversation. flowa's, post above is perfect to support the gist of this thread, we didn't need a lad fighting the hill and as you say, skiing asymmetrically, as part of it . . . add to that I was asked for my thoughts, I didn't throw them out there as an example.
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Masque, soz didnt mean to be harsh but you do waffle on a bit so was trying to be concise The footage Rob grabbed was just a random run, it could have been a training run and he was being tasked to incline more into the turn, it could of been a timed run and he was going full out but who knows.... I think what he was trying to demonstrate was the amount of lateral movement a skilled skier gets when carving... Not sure you are right or wrong , my point was that you seemed to read a heck of a lot from a single piece of video and with such a limited amount to go on you reached some very highly detailed "findings" which are very arguable... fair play you mentioned later you would need more to go on to be sure...
Not sure why I am chipping in here as the powder is most excellent here in Meribel so forgive me if i dont reply...
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skimottaret wrote:
Not sure why I am chipping in here as the powder is most excellent here in Meribel so forgive me if i dont reply...
Now you're just being a barsteward
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Masque wrote:
skimottaret wrote:
Not sure why I am chipping in here as the powder is most excellent here in Meribel so forgive me if i dont reply...
Well I've just had a girl in a leather bikini walk past the flat so I have a minor compensation . . . if she hadn't been middle-aged and a little . . . ahem . . . saggy? The compensation would have been greater.
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