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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm suprised Andorra can be so picky and still get enough instructors, wouldn't have though it would be many people's first choice country to work in... Any ideas why they have that rule, seems pretty irrelevant to actually teaching..?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sounds like a pretty racist rule to me, saying you have to have "your country's" cert. What if you were British but living / working in the US for example? Or an Italian who's done BASI?
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The provision of Instructor training, certification and subsequent professional liability insurance is very much a commercial activity. I'd say it's up to the customer where they purchase it from.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| Sounds like a pretty racist rule to me, |
Why, as soon as you mention anything to do with someone's country of origin is it referred to a racist. It's a good way of killing a discussion but not very constructive.
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So an Italian BASI qualified L3 is not permitted to work there, but a British BASI L3 is? Sounds pretty discriminatory to me.
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| Wayne wrote: |
It’s been done in Andorra so there is at least a precedent. You used to able to teach there by holding some form of cert plus a cert from the Andorrans. Not any more. There you now need to hold at least the equivalent of the L3 (ISIA) from your country’s governing body. That is the governing body of the country that issued your passport. Dead simple rule.
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I see a few problems with that rule:
Are there enough Andorran Instructors to cater for their own business?
It will kill the businesses of people like Non-Stop who are running CSIA courses based in Andorra.
It means that for instance someone born in a country that has no ski association, that has no choice but to get qualified in a different one to the one on their passport and therefore cannot teach.
The ISIA standard from one association should be comparable to another, if it isn't, it's the ISIA's fault, not the person's nationality.
I'm sure that the French would love that rule though. 
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Wayne, I'm confused now! You said
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You used to able to teach there by holding some form of cert plus a cert from the Andorrans. Not any more. There you now need to hold at least the equivalent of the L3 (ISIA) from your country’s governing body. That is the governing body of the country that issued your passport. Dead simple rule.
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So is that a rule in Andorra, or are you just expressing the opinion that you think it's better to get the qualification from your home country? Two totally different things, I was suggesting that if that is the rule in Andorra it is discriminatory as I can't think how it could be justified. I wasn't calling your opinion that getting a qual from your home country is racist. 
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| Spyderman wrote: |
It will kill the businesses of people like Non-Stop who are running CSIA courses based in Andorra.
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NonStop are based in Canada and NZ.
The Instructor Academy are based in Andorra.
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| Spyderman wrote: |
It will kill the businesses of people like Non-Stop who are running CSIA courses based in Andorra.
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NonStop are based in Canada and NZ.
The Instructor Academy are based in Andorra. |
That's why I said like You got the gist though.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| So is that a rule in Andorra, or are you just expressing the opinion that you think it's better to get the qualification from your home country? Two totally different things, I was suggesting that if that is the rule in Andorra it is discriminatory as I can't think how it could be justified. I wasn't calling your opinion that getting a qual from your home country is racist. |
Yep, as far as I know it is. I was in a lift with a girl who has lived and worked there for years with her husband and she said that a few years ago this rule came in. She did have a BASI L2 and she had to go and get the L3.
I don't think it applies to trainers running courses, as there were other courses as well as our BASI thing running at the same time from other ski associations
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| Wayne wrote: |
| she said that a few years ago this rule came in. She did have a BASI L2 and she had to go and get the L3. |
Was that L2 the highest level primary qual she had? If so, your example is evidence purely that the rule change required a minimum of ISIA - and nothing about any requirement as to which body issued that qual. In her case the qual and passport issuer were the same nationality, but is not evidence that it was a requirement.
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You know it makes sense.
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Might be missing the point here but yes its expensive and yes it takes time and yes you have to train hard to become a ski instructor but you will end up having an amazing lifestyle and very satisfying job........................I wouldn't turn the clock back, nearly every day I think how lucky I am to be a ski instructor and what a great job it is!!! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Sorry Wayne, I'm confused. Originally you said you had to be ISIA in the body of the nation that issued you're passport:
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There you now need to hold at least the equivalent of the L3 (ISIA) from your country’s governing body. That is the governing body of the country that issued your passport. Dead simple rule.
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Are you now saying that you just have to be ISIA, and the body doesn't matter?
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| So an Italian BASI qualified L3 is not permitted to work there, but a British BASI L3 is? Sounds pretty discriminatory to me. |
What 
Of course they can. |
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I said that to work in Andora you need as far as I know, an ISIA from the country on your passport.
Thats it.
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Not accusing you of being racist or anything, so no worries there lol.
But if that statement is true, then Andorra would not employ an Italian with BASI 3 ISIA, or a Brit with Austrain Landeslehrer (2), which seems pretty  stupid!! I also don't quite understand why you (and Andorra) think that it's a good thing?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hi all
I live in Andorra and over the last 5 years you do not need L3 to work here (L2 is fine either BASI or CSIA) nor do you need your ISIA cert to match your passport
If this was true we would not have any CSIA instructors here as most L3 CSIA are from UK, and also CSIA L3 do not hold a ISIA certification.
All we have to do, is get an equivalence licence from EFPEM (andorra federation), so holders of BASI, CSIA and many other European licences are then given a level on the EFPEM system; you can then work in Andorra (non EU), subject then to passing other immigration requirements (some requirements do change, if you are not an EU resident.
Hope this clears things up, but I will check at EFPEM if anything has changed
Marcus Upton
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Marcus Upton,
Well then, looks like I am wrong then. Thanks for putting me right.
That'll teach me to listen to anyone in a lift 
doh
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Kicking Horse has some of hte best skiers and boarders around..lvove that they don't go for the outfit they have the best gear:) i taught this season and loved it. I did a 3 week course at hte begin of hte season that had a guaranteed job -was ace, if you want more info about it pm me, though agree unless you have saved up for hte season, instructing doesn't pay well in teh first season, I am going back and will move up the ladder a bit and get paid more, did CASI l1 and beginngin of season and CSIA L1 as well so i can teach ski/boarding which helps. I didn't get my L2 boarding it isn't that easy...even after a season you need to have their method and stance down pat..did park cert though. Do you want to teach or just get qualified? a lot of poeple take the courses and never use them to teach.
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Who did you go with?
Was Trevor your instructor?
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gorbierider, Where do you come from though? Do you want to make ski teaching your profession, which is what we're mostly talking about. Glad you had a good time and that you're going back again. Good luck
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- but not to loads of my Italian mates who are in BASI.
