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@nozawaonsen, woot woot 
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50cm to 1500m on Saturday. Lifts still open for the Summer season. Wonder if they’ll let us on with skis!
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@munich_irish, am not sure about the link to the upcoming winter? The article focuses on the next 2 weeks, and even there the second week looks very uncertain to me. Think the October chart looks similar to last year, with high pressure over most of europe.
The CFS 3-4 week charts are interesting to keep an eye for a trend and agreement with other mid range models, like EC 46 day, JMA weekly. Likewise the monthly CFS charts, which can be viewed here http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfsme_cartes.php
.....but it's hard to draw solid conclusions from them as they move around a lot. Here's today's look at December for example, cold in the east under some northern blocking. The CFS monthly trends have been showing a lot of high pressure for this winter, sometimes to the far north over Greenland and Norway, but often sinking into mainland europe as well......so I like some of them and just ignore the rubbish runs 
Back in the now, ECM started easing off on the depth of the weekend trough a few days ago and most other models have followed. Still locked into a sharp and narrow plunge on the weekend with those vertical running isobars.
Temp anomalies of -8c for the alps and +12c up in Finland due to the very strong blocking high over NW Russia.
Snowfall numbers have reduced (per GFS especially), I'd be happy with 20cm at 1500m, maybe 40cm above 2200m in the NW.
But the snowfall variance is still considerable across the models. You can easily flick thru 6 model views of snowfall to sunday on this link
https://meteologix.com/fr/model-charts/gbr/switzerland/snow-depth/20200927-0000z.html
UKMO for example
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@polo, there are hints of -NAO and a LaNina which (assuming it turns out that sort of way) would be very different to last year. Also the conditions above the arctic appear to be different too. None of this necessarily equals cold & snowy but more hopeful than what we saw 9 months ago. Agree that late September snow is not unusual and has no impact on what will come later.
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Sub zero at times and snow showers on the Ben over the next 5 days. 
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Still looking good for a September ski tour. Would be a first for me...
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@BobinCH, yep looking pretty good. Details vary from model to model of course, but shaping up for a decent early fall! Always nice to get some cheeky skiing in in September.
And of course this locks in a decent season... 
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@nozawaonsen,
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And of course this locks in a decent season...
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Thanks for sorting the snow out for the season, that just leaves that other issue (the we don't talk about on this thread) to sort out - any volunteers for fixing that one?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
@BobinCH, yep looking pretty good. Details vary from model to model of course, but shaping up for a decent early fall! Always nice to get some cheeky skiing in in September.
And of course this locks in a decent season... |
every year I think I must note down the "first decent non glacial snowfall", the date when it all melts, and when the first snow that hangs around falls!
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Wed 23-09-20 13:25; edited 1 time in total
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@kitenski, pretty common to get a brief cold blast in second half of September by my reckon-o-meter. Could probably look back at Septembers in this thread over last few years if you were really scratching around for something to do!
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You know it makes sense.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| @kitenski, pretty common to get a brief cold blast in second half of September by my reckon-o-meter. Could probably look back at Septembers in this thread over last few years if you were really scratching around for something to do! |
Snow in October is relatively common but I don’t recall a decent dump in September? I’ve only skied once at end October, and that was on the Saas Fee glacier so up at 3000m.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hut guardian from Tierberglihütte posted her local forecast on fb, they are heading down to the valley.
IF all the forecast snow arrives they will receive......228cm.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Last year Titlis was open on Oct 12th weekend. Hopefully manage the same this year.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@BobinCH, I think a “brief cold blast” is pretty common, whether that’s the same as a “decent dump” may depend on how you are counting!
Looking at last September there were a couple of snowfalls in September on the glaciers, then a larger one in early October. Though I was otherwise occupied in Japan at the time! I can certainly remember September hiking being complicated by brief snowy spells as well as cheeky trips to Hintertux over the last few years. But no dispute that heavier snowfall is more often in October.
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@polo, well 1600m would be pretty low for September, though that said I can certainly remember waking up in Lech in September surrounded by snow at 1500m. More likely to have short periods of coverage above 2000m at this time of year.
For example see this from 06 September last year.
Subsequent forecasts at the time suggested the snowline might fall to 1000m. Though as I said I was in Tokyo at the time.
I have a feeling (?) that it may be more common at the eastern end of the Alps.
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Champery snow warning on meteo suisse
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La Rosière at 1850m.
Not surprisingly temperatures look like rising at least 10C by start of October so this is clearly just an amuse bouche rather than anything more substantial!
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https://www.slf.ch/en/avalanche-bulletin-and-snow-situation.html#avalanchedanger
Weather outlook through Saturday, 26 September
Skies will be heavily overcast for the most part. On Thursday afternoon, precipitation is expected to set in over widespread areas. The precipitation will be intensive on Thursday night, particularly in the southern and eastern regions, and the snowfall level will lie at approximately 3000 m. Starting at Friday midday, the precipitation will shift to the typical northern barrier cloud regions. The snowfall level will descend from 2500 m down to 1500 m on Friday morning; subsequently on Saturday, down to nearly 1000 m. Winds on Friday morning will be southwesterly, subsequently shifting to northwesterly. At 2000 m, winds will be blowing at strong velocity, in high alpine regions at storm strength. In the central sector of the southern flank of the Alps, a strong-velocity northerly wind will be blowing starting on Friday. On Saturday, bright intervals are anticipated there. Between Thursday evening and Saturday evening above approximately 2500 m, the following amounts of fresh snow are expected:
furthermost western part of Lower Valais, northern flank of the Alps from the eastern Bernese Oberland as far as the Glarus Alps: 70 to 100 cm;
remaining parts of Valais not including valleys of Visp, remaining sectors of the northern flank of the Alps, Gotthard region, Grisons not including southern valleys: 40 to 70 cm;
valleys of Visp, northern Ticino not including Gotthard region, southern valleys of Grisons: 20 to 40 cm;
central Ticino and Sotto Ceneri: only a few centimetres;
Jura: 5 to 15 cm above 1000 m.
At 2000 m, approximately two thirds, at 1500 m approximately one third of the predicted amounts of snow can be expected to remain on the ground
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@BobinCH, nice!
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My Instagram feed this morning had a couple of very winters looking vistas in T3V. Only another 3 months to go... sigh.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Cam on the link below showing snow in the Valley in Serre Chevalier!
Locals on WhatsApp can't recall ever seeing a snow-fall like that in September.
Last year our Ski Touring season started Nov 7th and just carried on, till lockdown that is / was
We're not planning on being back out till November or thereabouts as obviously this snow will not last, famous last words
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I think we saw some new snow drifts on the southern Cairngorms as we pedalled Past yesterday.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@polo, why do you assume there is an “angle?” It was simply chatting about early snow.
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@nozawaonsen, maybe I missed the context of some comments / photo's.....I just read it like some people were getting excited about record breaking or decent levels of snow, while other posts pointed towards different areas that also had snow, in previous years and at different altitudes.
So if this was just a brief/regular cold blast, I'd be surprised to see so many 'outlook' posts referring to exceptional weather in the past. But now that we know that this was an extremely rare snowy blast, it does make sense to look back and compare. I would say this event is also noteworthy for how widespread the coverage was across pretty much the whole of the alps.
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Any ideas why my link isn’t updating any more since last week?
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@BobinCH, same here, love the wiggles.
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| polo wrote: |
| Certainly in PdS none of the 20+year locals can recall snow settling at 1100m in September. . |
then again, most of the PdS locals can't remember where they parked their car before they went into the bar a few hours ago
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GFS quite keen on another week of colder temperatures and snow (perhaps not to 1100m) from this weekend, particularly for the western Alps. (I'm not sure how to embed a chart in this post!)
Last edited by After all it is free  on Tue 29-09-20 16:37; edited 2 times in total
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Blimey, looks like another Saturday morning breaking trail...
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| denfinella wrote: |
| GFS quite keen on another week of colder temperatures and snow (perhaps not to 1100m) from this weekend, particularly for the western Alps. (I'm not sure how to embed a chart in this post!) |
If it’s an image file - .png/.jpg etc just use the [img][/img] tags around it to embed the image
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before the next depression rolls into NW europe over the weekend.
