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I concur Brian, shoulder width apart for modern skis off piste and on......
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Hmm, every lesson I've ever had on powder suggests trying a narrower stance.... I do find my skis get deflected and catch edges with my ordinary stance. I'll try both - it is an experimenting exercise after all 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I was only ever taught "shoulder width" for certain exercises.... all other stuff I was taught hip width... (ie where the legs hang).... BTW guys shoulder width can be wider or narrower than hip width depending on your build. (Men usually wider - not always for women) and so I was taught it is a poor reference for a stance width....
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little tiger, you have a point - for me, shoulder width IS narrower
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erica2004, I've had various lessons on it but still can't turn in powder  Choppy bumpy stuff not really a problem, but I feel as if I've received conflicting messages about how to turn in powder - legs closer together vs ordinary stance, pressure vs rotation etc etc. No doubt it's not the instruction but my own confused reception, but net result is I'm OK in a straight line, but can hardly turn and need a handy run-out to a piste to stop. I'll have a go down the side of the piste, get up a bit of speed to make sure I get through the powder but I need that run-out still. So I too would be very interested in an "idiots' guide" to turning in powder |
Offpiste is like onpiste. It takes practice. Lots of it.
You ain't gonna get better by dipping off the side for 5 mins once in a while.
You need sustained practice. Every day. For atleast 2 consecutive weeks. With lessons included.
Go to western North America. Their powder is colder and fluffier and easier to ski.
Go for 2 weeks.
Enjoy.
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little tiger, yep, hip width.
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DB, shoulders - front legs attached also neck and head - so I can grab you and bite you
hips - rear legs attached - so I can rip your guts our while holding you with my front legs
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It's important, is it not, to keep the weight evenly distributed, to reduce the risk of one ski going off on a frolic of its own? Presumably some instructors encourage a narrower stance to make that even distribution of weight easier, a sort of monoski effect. I think I picked that up somewhere along the line the other week, anyway, but maybe it's rubbish...
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Kramer, oh well, I've never had a lesson off piste (maybe I should get some  ) so I'm probably talking rubbish.
Hurtle, that's certainly true in deep snow.
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brian, yes, I meant in deep snow. (I'm having trouble with my writing skills today, and am even being out-pedanted in Apres. Quel horreur.)
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurtle, mon dieu, c'est pas possible 
I think I'm also having trouble with keeping my weighting even, my skis keep getting deflected hence my sore neck today.
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Poster: A snowHead
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One downside of a narrow stance is it tends to encourage rotation of both legs +pelvis as one unit, rather than the legs working independently (yet simultaneously) under the pelvis.
Other than that, if we have good control of the rotary movements of both legs a narrow stance can have its uses off piste...
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comprex, thanks for that, I'd missed it. Trouble is, with my experimenting so far, my inside ski has been getting deflected and going anywhere but parallel with the outside ski. I assumed - probably erroneously - that weighting it more might stop it having a mind of its own? If not, how do I get the blighter to do what I want it to? Is that where a narrower stance might help? (I think my ordinary stance is possibly quite wide?)
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| eng_ch wrote: |
| comprex, thanks for that, I'd missed it. Trouble is, with my experimenting so far, my inside ski has been getting deflected and going anywhere but parallel with the outside ski. |
I believe that. Particularly since the deflection forces are probably different than the edging forces you're familiar with, as the entire surface of each ski is engaged and not mostly the edges.
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I assumed - probably erroneously - that weighting it more might stop it having a mind of its own?
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Hmmn, no reason why it would unless you actually find bottom and lock the edge onto something.
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If not, how do I get the blighter to do what I want it to? |
Steering without over-weighting or gross correction.
A car requires just enough steering input to stay on the road even when the road is straight. One can steer the car without leaning onto the wheel.
Fastman wrote a nice little guide to getting a sensation for steering with the feet, I'll shamelessly pinch it here to save myself typing:
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The replacement mechanism I'd suggest is called steering, and it's accomplished via the power of your legs and hips.
Want to experience what it feels like, right there in your house?
- Stand up. Carpet is best. Have feet about hip width apart, and equal amount of weight on each foot. Hold hands up in front of you as if holding your poles.
- Now,,, roll your ankles till you are standing on the left sides of your feet,,,, then sloooooooowly twist both feet (using just the muscles of your legs and hips) to the left. As you do this your upper body should passively follow along with the twisting of your feet,,, always continuing to face the direction the feet point as they turn.
- When you've turned about 90 degrees, roll back down off the left sides of your feet, so you're again standing flat. Now roll up on the right sides of your feet, and turn in the same manner back the other way 180 degrees. Remember, body and feet change direction in harmony, and the turn is done very slooooowly and controlled.
Again, this is called steering, and it works just as well on snow. Actually, it works better on snow, because the slippery nature of snow allows the feet to be kept side by side as you twist them (you probably noticed that as you did it on the carpet the feet become one forward/one back as you twist them). The harder you twist your feet with your legs and hips, the faster you will turn.
A couple things to be conscious of:
- The harder you twist your feet with your legs/hips, the faster you will steer (turn). This is your control mechanism. You govern the shape of your turn via this. You can even make adjustments during the course of a single turn. Example; you could start your turn very gently, changing direction very slowly, then halfway through the turn bear down and sharpen your turn,,, or vice versa, depending on your desire or need. Gives you many options.
- Works best to have some weight on both feet, as one foot levers against the other to produce the twist/turn. Test it and see. Try the carpet exercise I explained while lifting one foot. Doesn't work very well. |
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I believe that the idea was that the closer the skis were together, the less likely one was to take it's own route seperate from the other one.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I find that the problem that I have now is that I can ski reasonably well off piste, and reasonably well on it, however I have difficulty in swapping backwards and forwards between the various techniques that are needed for either.
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| Kramer wrote: |
| I believe that the idea was that the closer the skis were together, the less likely one was to take it's own route seperate from the other one. |
You bin drinking?
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Where to the folks in the know stand on the angulation versus inclination argument.
I've been taught that it helps to initiate the turn and maintain a more even distribution between the skis by using more inclination by dropping the shoulder towards the centre of the turn and using less hip angulation.
This has worked well for me as I've always found it difficult to ski as I would on piste and apply pressure to the inside ski, the other method I've been told.
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Where to the folks in the know stand on the angulation versus inclination argument.
I've been taught that it helps to initiate the turn and maintain a more even distribution between the skis by using more inclination by dropping the shoulder towards the centre of the turn and using less hip angulation.
This has worked well for me as I've always found it difficult to ski as I would on piste and apply pressure to the inside ski, the other method I've been told. |
i would say that this technique has its place but isn't the only way.
i think people need to be wary not to assume there is one "off piste technique". there are lots of ways of skinning this particular cat
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I've been thinking about this a bit, and concur with Arno, I believe the width of your skis is dependant on the turns your trying to do and the speed your carrying. I *think* I bring my skis closer together for "wiggles" and hip or shoulder width apart for wide off piste GS turns...
On one off piste run you could use plenty of different techniques as the snow and your speed can change with virtually every turn, unless your skiing "easy" powder in the US
eng_ch, you maybe a touch hard on yourself, the snow probably ain't so good for learning powder at the moment, great for learning "off piste" though.....
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Kramer wrote: |
| I believe that the idea was that the closer the skis were together, the less likely one was to take it's own route seperate from the other one. |
You bin drinking? |
Not tonight.
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Look all these words are meaningless when you're actually there in the powder on your skis - unless someone's saying them as they watch you. I'm hurtle and eng ch's secret triplet - have skied since childhood, refresher lessons every year, cracked moguls a couple of years ago - but just don't get it in powder and also crust despite having 3-hour off-piste lessons when the conditions are right.. I need to FEEL the right feeling, and keep repeating it, and the only way to do that is have a week's off-piste course. Any views on Freshtracks vs the rest anyone?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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SuburbanSkier, just did a Freshtracks one, and was no better at the beginning of it than at the end. The tuition was a bit sketchy, frankly (instructors from Saas Ski School near Klosters.) I'm going to try something different next season, I think, not sure what yet.
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You know it makes sense.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| brian wrote: |
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Anyway, a bit of practice with a narrower stance and practicing the feel of rotary action helped.
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I'm uneasy about this bit but unfortunately am neither qualified nor sufficiently lucid to help much (plus I'm not sure if I'm fully over old skool ways anyway). |
Quite...but you do it so nicely, I wouldn't worry .
I think I've only seen eng_ch skiing briefly, but IIRC I think working on a narrower stance for a while may well help here. The general mantra is "Wide for stability, narrow for agility" - but narrower than you normally ski will help if you're having trouble controlling the inside ski. The trick is to distinguish between keeping the leg muscles activated and using them to pressure/weight the ski. The problem is that in our basic skiing development the two are essentially the same thing, and it's a bit of a shock when you have to do one but not the other. An exercise that I was introduced for this was to ski on one leg while waggling the airborne ski from side to side. Develop by increasing waggling frequency. Thinking about this it probably help to lift it up and down at the same time (while also rubbing tummy and head if you so insist ). Maybe also be helpful to hum/play some music and ensure the waggling matches the beats of the music - to get the muscles having to move at times dictated externally.
Kramer, I could have written every word you have here (except, fortunately, the panic attack bit) - are we long-lost twins (if so, sympathies to our poor mother, as IIRC I'm about 10 years older than you  ). I also had/have problems switching between my off-piste/on-piste active-suspension programs - and the switch normally requires an embarassing prat-fall  .
One thing I've been doing recently - not deliberately for this - could really help. When cruising down a piste do you ever slalom the piste markers? Well try this variation. Rather than short turns, widen them out to more super-G-like, with the piste markers as the arc transition. So half of your path will be on-piste and half off. Try and maintain a constant speed while doing so, and make the on piste turns carved while doing more pushy stuff in the off-piste. Obviously needs some smooth transitions in the on- and off-piste terrain. I was actually doing this as some of the pistes we were going down had inviting stuff down the sides but only in short bursts, and actually now I think about this I also did a bit of this following Phil Smith the other week, but I did bottle from following him over a 2m wall to get back on piste!
Hurtle, the off-piste courses Freshtracks run at Flaine are very good. However, I'm an even more satisfied customer of www.snoworks.co.uk and have just come back from my 4th Backcountry course with them. These 5-day courses have plenty to offer at all levels from competent red-run skiers with little/no off-piste experience to pretty competent off-piste skiers. The full course complement is 42, 6 groups of 7, so plenty of opportunity to get you into the most appropriate level if your self-assessment was a bit off. They do take a pretty different approach to many other ski schools but it really works. They have two such courses running this season in Gressoney in March (been there for the last two years, but am otherwise engaged this year). In my case I started with the basic techniques just about there, but they've done wonders in helping me identify my weaknesses, tips on fixing them, and most importantly string those skills together in a way more appropriate combination than I was before.
Remember, off-piste skiing is not the same as powder skiing. The most obvious characteristic is that the terrain is always changing, so there is no such thing as "an off-piste technique". Someone's already mentioned the concept of "linked recoveries", and that's what it is - the more experienced you are the smaller the deviations from neutral before the recovery kicks in, and so the smaller that recovery action. Veeeight has fequently mentioned the "open-skill" nature of off-piste skiing - you can't prescribe what you're going to do before you do it as you don't know what the conditions are before you get there. But there are areas where it is fairly "closed-skill" (Phil S is also pretty taken with this dichotomy at the moment), e.g. skiing a virgin powder slope of constant gradient and constant depth is pretty much a "closed skill" activity - you know what's ahead of you, and can set up the rhythmic bouncing etc. that we've covered elsewhere. But you have to be alert for a change the gradient, or crossing some old avalanche debris or more rocky area and you're back into the variable input stuff.
Fine, but how does that help us learn to ski it? The following is all stuff that's helped me over the last few years. First off, expect the unexpected and get yourself into a mindset and position where you can react to the changed terrain. Keep your muscles alert and be ready to react when necessary - this may be to absorb a bump, or extend rapidly to fill a hole. Off-piste skiing is a LOT more energetic than on-piste for precisely this reason - you cannot relax. If you need to relax, then stop and do so then, don't do so while still moving.
Get your joints in mid range (so standing tall is a definite disadvantage). Phil majors on the "Goalie position" - the position a goalkeeper will take when lining up to face a penalty. This gives you the maximum opportunity to react in any direction required (but it appears will get you to fail your BASI lower levels  ). You need to be centred on the skis at the same time, but you will get thrown about in variable terrain so you need something to force you back to the neutral position. My natural reaction is to throw my arms out, throw my torso back and go AAARGH - so throwing me way back on my heels! This will also normally involve my skis going onto their edges and shooting out in front of me - although Phil and I disagree as to which is cause and which is effect . If this rings any bells, you could try the following: think about keeping your body low (chin down towards the slope), close the ankles and keep hands out in front - ensure you can see both in your peripheral vision (this last one also corrects my reflex of leaving my left arm/shoulder behind and rotating on that side into the mountain) - tips courtesy of PS-G. These were the three things that have made the biggest difference (along with getting some fatter skis ) to my confidence levels in the last year. With this in mind you now need the basic techniques to string together - edging, pushing and twisting.
If you're mainly an on-piste skiier then pushing is probably least developed (it certainly is in my skiing - although that's primarily as when off-piste I've always headed straight for the bumps and steeps, so I'm best at twisting), so try to find areas of snow a few cm deep (say 10cm) and practice turning the skis by extending the legs into the turn, really pushing through the boots to drive the bases/edges sideways into the snow, and retracting them as you come to the transition (otherwise you won't be able to push them out again in the next turn). You could do this to start off by just pushing/retracting the outside ski while using the inside for support - but I found that got me into a rather bad mindset of not using that inside ski. In my case it has helped a lot trying to concentrate on the fronts of the skis and really visualise them bending into the turn - which gets my shins more concentrated on the fronts of the boots. As you get better try for deeper/heavier snow. Monitor what the snow feels like for inside/outside leg length: if harder then the inside leg will need to be shorter, softer/deeper then then inside leg will be longer - you're always striking a compromise so it can't be prescriptive before getting there. Also try with more (approaching 50:50) and less (more 10:90) pressure on the inside:outside ski and feel how the skis bend and sink in the snow. I found that more pressure on the outside (with a corresponding shorter inside leg) made it much easier to feel the ski bend and turn (particularly in breakable crust), but it does get harder to avoid the inside ski catching in lumps (particularly in breakable crust ) - one again the best compromise position will depend on the snow and can't be prescribed.
The other main skill in off-piste skiing is twisting - for steep/bumpy terrain. Practice in the small bumps that build up on piste or just off the side. Think of nothing other than absorb/twist/(scrape/)adjust. As you hit the rise of the bump absorb the impact with the legs and immediately twist the skis to the new direction - don't worry how much just yet. Then adjust the twist to direct your skis to control your direction - but don't stop moving! To get into the swing of it, waggle the skis up and down the hill while you're doing this (a sort of gonzo braquage) to avoid getting into (or get out of) a mental habit of locking into one direction after the twist. If you're on steeper terrain you'll need to control your speed as you go through this, so scrape the ski edges round the far side of the bump as your legs re-extend (remember you absorbed the front side of the bump, so your legs shortened during that). Once again, don't stop moving your feet at any time, otherwise you'll get into the habit of turn/traverse/turn.
If the snow is cruddy/heavy then it's easiest to change the edges at the transition while in the air. As you approach the transition do a small jump, using any help from bumps in the terrain, then change the edges and land on the other edges - then, most importantly, ski off from that landing (whether it be pushing, more twisting or, if going for speed riding the edges), so you think of the edge change as initiating the turn rather than actually making it. This is NOT a jump turn! You'll probably (OK.... "I do") twist a bit during the jump, but work at not doing so as if you do so and land in deep heavy snow you stand a good chance of tripping yourself up. Once the twist has been eradicated it can be reintroduced as required.
(Edging is generally less relevant to off-piste, certainly at the earlier stages, so as I've wittered for way too long already I'll not do so any more)
Now with the basic skills in the toolbox, get out and try using them. The basic rules of thumb are twisting for slower speeds and bumpier/steeper terrain, pushing for medium speeds and deeper/heavier snow, edging for faster speeds and harder snow, but there will nearly always be a blend of the three - which will be changing constantly. Continually monitor the snow and what your skis are doing and adjust accordingly.
Here endeth the gospel according to Phil Smith.
Lots (probably too much) there - but that's what's made the difference for me in the last couple of years.
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G: Jings an Crivens geet ye fookin' lags apar' lassie!
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GrahamN, 1905 words... like the open skill idea. Been thinking of snoworks for a while. maybe next year...
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GrahamN, Wow, there's so much to think about there, all superbly expressed and much of it ringing all sorts of bells, as regards my own faults. Thank you. It must have taken you for ever to write, unless you have superhuman fluency. I have indeed also been thinking of snoworks, definitely an option for next year.
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Bügger me, I'm knackered.
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| eng_ch, you maybe a touch hard on yourself, the snow probably ain't so good for learning powder at the moment |
After a few more pratfalls in the crust (a 3ft drop onto a path whose landing I couldn't quite hold, a general topple when I had stopped and other snow snake-related disorders), I decided you were right and gave up until conditions were better. I did, however, eventually manage to ski some crusty stuff in a more piste-related fashion - correct or not, it more or less worked.
Yesterday in Hoch-Ybrig, however, was a very different matter with lots of fresh powder. I found a nice flatish bit of blue piste and started by dipping off and back onto the piste to see if I could turn at all. When that was working on one side, a turn at a time, I did the same on the other side of the piste to work out the turns in the other direction. On the next couple of runs I managed to link up to 8 turns at a time in the same place (tracked out but it was working nonetheless). So far so good and no panics. Finally we followed Powderhound's directions for crossing a meadow back to his house where we'd parked up. This was getting well outside comfort zone, but there was a nice long distance of enough pitch to move but not enough to be scary, so I managed to find a nice untracked bit and kept turning and even managed to continue the turn to stop - and looked back and had a serious Wow! moment: a series of absolutely regular, even curves  Continued on down a slightly steeper bit (deffo steeper than anything I had done, but probably barely blue gradient) and that worked too, was even able to control direction by varying turn length, and the final drop down was probably a good reddish pitch, which I had no real problems with. In hindsight I really really ought to have taken some pics of those tracks coz I was so chuffed
So, how it worked for me (correct or not) was a) to feel my heels and b) to weight the outside ski. This had the effect (presumably) of bending the ski and letting its radius do the work for as long as I wanted, then I moved my weighting onto the other outside ski. I also found that deeper snow aids speed control which makes things less scary, and in softer snow, my inside ski wasn't getting deflected. We're talking about sort of top-of-boot depth on average - bit deeper in places, bit less deep in others. Not sure how I'd cope with knee depth yet, but I feel I've made a big step forward - mentally if nothing else, because I now want to seek out more powder to play in
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brian,  Nice pic!
I don't know if the thought process that worked for me bears any relation to what Yoda posted on the first page (maybe the "weighting the outside ski" thing is his push), but apart from the nice feel of it, the thing I'm most chuffed about is having had the guts to have a play and actually work it out for myself. Yes, I shall need more lessons on it without doubt and it's very early days, but it's a big hurdle overcome.
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FAQ
Do tigers have shoulders or hips? 
