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JDC - that's the first time I've been called "balanced" in a long time 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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IncogSkiSno, all best wishes to you and your son
I've noticed so far this season that hat-wearers are now far outnumbered by helmet-wearers.
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IncogSkiSno, sorry to hear they're keeping him in another night.
Is there a doctor on the thread?  Any ideas why this might be?
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I will have a helmet by the time I return to Tignes in April, I hadn't thought about it on my November trip because I wasn't going to do anything fast or reckless, I soon realised it wasn't my skiing I really had to worry about, it was others, after being knocked off the drag lift by a skier who wasn't looking where they were going, then see exactly the same thing happen just a few moments later, made me feel I was being reckless in not wearing one.
IncogSkiSno, I hope your Son recovers in time to enjoy Christmas.
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I don't wear a helmet because of how I ski. I wear it because of how other people ski.
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Couldn't agree more.
About three years ago my wife had to go into hospital for an operation. Anyway she spent a night in intensive care. Two beds down was an eighteen year old kid in a coma, surrounded by all his family. He had been standing about, and was hit in the head by someone who was wearing a helmet, and was skiing/snowboarding out of control. We later heard from a friend of the wife's that he eventually came out of the coma.
Our instructor wore a helmet, not to prevent injury in the event of a fall, but to avoid getting smacked too hard in the head when someone crashed into her.
IncogSkiSno, I hope your son makes a quick recovery.
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Although I try not to do anything out of control or very fast at all, I must admit that having broken my back once falling from a horse and now always wearing a back protector when I ride, is it double standards to not wear it whilst out skiing too?
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IncogSkiSno,
Very best wishes for his speedy recovery.
Head injuries always casue concern, but time is an important tool in establishing what will happen. The docs will always be cautious. More than that its impossible to say. perhaps Jonpim will have more insight than me (a helmet wearing GP)
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Thu 20-12-07 16:40; edited 1 time in total
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IncogSkiSno, I too hope your son is OK.
I am now a confirmed helmet wearer and advocate for the Giro 9.9.
My itital fears around having a hot head (as opposed to being one) were unfounded. Indeed the helmet is so comfortable I forget I am wearing it until somebody whacks me on the head in the bar!!
I bought it primarily as I can't expect my daughter to wear a helmet if I don't. Other supporting arguments involve trees, particulalry branches, speed, if I wear one on a bike and i probably go faster on my board and other sliders.
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Became a dad in Feb, read this thread yesterday, had a discussion with my wife about getting a helmet for my ski weekend in Feb suddenly felt like with my added responsibility I should lok after my head more - strange how the mind works!!) - she said "if you get one, and all the rest of your group aren't wearing one, will you wear yours?" I fear she has a point 
Does anyone know if these things can be hired from skishops at resort, or is that a no-no cos of hygene?
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You know it makes sense.
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Tim Sawyer - just go and buy one. You'll get over the embarrassment.
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Tim Sawyer, You can hire kid's helmets but I can't remember seeing adult helmets for hire. I thought I would feel self-conscious wearing a helmet, but within 30 minutes of using one for the first time I'd forgotten I had one on. In the resorts I ski there's enough people wearing them (both the ultra-cautious as well as the park rats & racers) that nobody looks out of place wearing a helmet.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Tim Sawyer, maybe it's time to be a trend-setter. All the hard men on the mountain are in helmets these days - you could always get an avalanche probe for your backpack too, if you want to be really hard core.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I got used to my helmet within an hour.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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IncogSkiSno, hope he's ok, sounds like he will be.
Injury rates are increasing because of inexperienced slope users getting about the mountain sooner and equipment allowing more people to go faster, ie it's not my skiing (unless off piste or going really fast) but other slope users I'm worried about. Intuitively it seems safer to wear a helmet if only to reduce the severity of minor and possibly major head injuries. Most incld myself seem to find them comfortable enough for comfort not to be a significant issue, once the right one's been found. They do reduce hearing, partic if dumb enough to use one with music, but I can just about hear ok from inside mine. I pack fragilish stuff inside mine in my bag eg goggles, shades, gadgets etc, so it's not too space occupying to cart about.
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I know guys - I've just got this pre-conception that a helmet makes a statement about how fast you can go, and as a lower-mid intermediate with all my British reserve..
However, it doesn't take more than a nano second to realise that there are lots more ways of sustaining injury on piste than skiing at 100kmh (as some of the posts here bear out).
IncogSkiSno, thanks for posting this in your anxious moments, its been useful for a lot of people I suspect. We are all waiting for good news from you.
All the best.
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slikedges,
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it's not my skiing (unless off piste or going really fast) but other slope users I'm worried about. Intuitively it seems safer to wear a helmet if only to reduce the severity of minor and possibly major head injuries. Most incld myself seem to find them comfortable enough for comfort not to be a significant issue, once the right one's been found. They do reduce hearing, partic if dumb enough to use one with music, but I can just about hear ok from inside mine. I pack fragilish stuff inside mine in my bag eg goggles, shades, gadgets etc, so it's not too space occupying to cart about.
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Exactly, including the bits about music and packing. OK, OK, I know music is a personal choice as well! 
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Anyway, on a more serious note: I spoke to my son last night and he is OK. He still can't remember the accident nor 3 or so days prior to it. He should be discharged today, as soon the insurancers and hospital sort out the paperwork etc.
Many thanks for all your good wishes. 
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Fri 21-12-07 8:51; edited 1 time in total
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IncogSkiSno, just read this thread - I have fingers & toes crossed for him.
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IncogSkiSno, so glad to hear you have spoken to him - that must have been such a relief to hear his voice. Big *hug* from one mum to another.
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IncogSkiSno, also glad you've spoken to him and that he's generally OK. Will he continue to ski or straight home?
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IncogSkiSno, excellent news - glad he is ok.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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IncogSkiSno, Good news and hopefully a few more who have read the thread will realise that wearing a helmet makes sense. 
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IncogSkiSno, Great news
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You know it makes sense.
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IncogSkiSno, glad he's ok - helmet for xmas?
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IncogSkiSno,
Good news.
With that amount of amnesia he'll need to be very careful to avoid a second knock, (which have a higher risk of serious brain injury due to softening of tisses from the first knock) and will probably not be as co-ordinated and skillful to start with as he remebers he was - he should take it easy as he starts again.
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Poster: A snowHead
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IncogSkiSno, Great news.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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IncogSkiSno, brilliant.
I'm shopping for a helmet after Christmas
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Megamum, I broke my back boarding - not a proper break I didn't realise I'd done it until I had an xray a good time after and was told I had an old compression fracture of the spine. Vaguely wondering now whether I should get a back protector.
Tim Sawyer, I want away with a group of work colleagues when I first bought my helmet. Didn't wear it the first day because none of them had helmets but then realised that it was silly to bring it and not wear it thereafter. I learnt to ski last year and wore my helmet the whole time even in the roped off complete beginners section.
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IncogSkiSno, I missed this thread somehow, as work is manic at the moment. Good news he is OK, but what a shock you must have got.
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IncogSkiSno, so glad to hear he's ok and echo all the sage advice about him taking it slow, etc...
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IncogSkiSno, good news.
what Martin Nicholas says is hugely important and not always made clear to patients. The second injury can be way more dangerous, even with a lesser impact.
Get him a lid, and out of the park for a long time.
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IncogSkiSno, good news.
what Martin Nicholas says is hugely important and not always made clear to patients. The second injury can be way more dangerous, even with a lesser impact.
Get him a lid, and out of the park for a long time. |
For how long after an injury does one remain more vulnerable? Yes, I know each case will be different, but are we talking days, weeks, months or more and are we talking about the first injury being one which results in loss of consciousness and/or memory, or ANY knock to the head?
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IncogSkiSno, Fantastic!
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NewSkier, Hope this is helpful. RFU guidance:
Head injury rules to avoid second impact syndrome
Grade 1 No Loss Of Consciousness (LOC), Post Traumatic Amnesia (PTA)< 30 min
Grade 2 LOC <5> 30min
Grade 3 LOC >5min/ PTA >24hrs
Must be asymptomatic 1w for return to sport: No dizzyness, headache, impaired concentration or memory at rest or on exertion
.........................First................Second ................Third
Grade 1 ...Rtn 1w............Rtn @ 2w..............Out for season
Grade 2 ...Rtn 1w............Rtn@ 1 mth...........Out for season
Grade 3 ...Min 1m...........Rtn next season
Out for season if 3x Gr1, 2-3 Gr2 1-2 Gr3 concussions
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We will hopeully know more tomorrow, when someone who speaks fluent French will be going/contacting the Hospital 
! (First was my back skiing when I was 18 - paralysed from the waist down for 1/2 a day, months of physio and acupuncture. Second was off a horse at 20 - coccyx that time ... and I've done it again since! 
(falling upstairs backwards, if you can imagine!)
