 Poster: A snowHead
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Anyone had any experience of these skis? http://www.dupraz-skis.com
Have a piste and powder edge and quite a large surface area. A demo pair in a shop here and wondered whether worth a punt and try them?
Any thoughts out there?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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colinstone, Just make sure you get a matched pair 
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It sounds like Elan's amphibios tech in a wider powder ski.
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Skied them on the SIGB test... Interesting ski... was told that I would need to learn how to ski on them again. and I agree.. got on them and felt like a begginer.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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colinstone, hi Colin, I am struggling to understand how the powder, being a bit of an all encompassing medium, would know that you had a powder edge? Or a non powder edge?
Weird.
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under a new name, +1
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| under a new name wrote: |
| I am struggling to understand how the powder, being a bit of an all encompassing medium, would know that you had a powder edge? Or a non powder edge?. |
I suspect it is more about the skier being keenly aware of having a long radius 'powder edge' when skiing on hardpack. Y'know, all those skiers who want one ski for 50% powder 50% slalom that's at least 110mm in the waist. At least the Bieber and Amphibio have slightly more sensible waist widths for hard snow.
Aside from bashing Dupraz though, there is mileage in a 'powder edge' with very long radius or reverse sidecut. Have a look at the Spatula, Lotus 138 or Praxis Powderboard for example... those are not designs that will ever be pleasant to ski on hardpack even if scaled down to a much skinnier ski, and yet they're entirely reasonable in 3d snow. Have a read of Brain Floss, specifically the 'pool cover' and 'unstable hooker' paragraphs to see what McConkey thought about it...
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Serriadh, So are these skis basically reverse sidecut/straight on one edge, with a tight sidecut on the other? I'm struggling to work out what's going on.
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It doesn't have any reverse sidecut... I was just pointing out to under a new name that edge designs can make a difference in powder 
I don't think this design would work with dramatically different sidecuts, anyway. Look at a picture of the design... even the "powder" edge is still a pretty short radius, so I dunno if it really warrants the name. And if dansmith's experience is anything to go by, these are awkward to ski in addition to having a dubious premise.
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Serriadh, I thought he was saying that, what with both skis being 'in' the powder, only having one on each ski different wouldn't make much difference.
Which of the Dupraz skis does the OP mean, or do they all have this? Can't work out anything from the website (no French).
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Saw a pair on the chairlift next to me this morning - the Happy Ds. Edges were marked "this edge outside for powder" and "this edge outside for piste"
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Serriadh, i really don't think sidecut is terribly important in powder...
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under a new name, Think its more short turn long turn rather than "off piste" I was told to ski it on the powder edge first to get used to the "concept" and then try the other... It definitely worked... there was a definite difference in the two edges. (the piste edge was pretty much un-skiable in my opinion)
I skied what I was told to on them, next seasons skinnys in a 171 (Normally I don't ski anything below a 190 me and a mate were amazed that the rep insisted on me skiing something so short) it didn't help that the ski was grabbing all over the place and was in need of a tune so don't want to be so harsh on it as I was on the day but I can't say that the ski is for me and I can't really see the point of it in the market.
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You know it makes sense.
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dansmith, so can you tell us what the difference actually is please?
under a new name, really? I'm not keen on skis with a lot of sidecut in pow, hook up too much (and then when it's crusty the waist sinks too much compared to tip and tail). Straighter the better on anything ungroomed IMO.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| under a new name wrote: |
| Serriadh, i really don't think sidecut is terribly important in powder... |
In the lightest fluffiest powder it won't do you any harm, certainly, but that's also the least common kind of snow to ski in, no?
There's a noticable difference in feel between long radius, tapered powder ski and a short radius long sidecut ski with a more conventional geometry even in perfect powder. I guess you might not notice the waist of the ski sinking if you're on a fat enough pair in the first place, but tips and tails that are noticably fatter than the waist end up being a bit hooky and irritating in nasty, crusty, unfriendly snow or even just plain old heavy settled snow.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Serriadh, ummm, I can see what you're getting at but I think, on first reflection, that you're over complicating things?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| under a new name wrote: |
| over complicating things? |
Er, what? You seem to be using "over complicating" to mean "using anything other than conventional ski geometry and preferring it" 
I've used both a few different ski shapes, found that some work better, for me, in certain conditions. This is clearly not a subjective experience unique to me.
You might not need, like or want different sorts of equipment, but that doesn't make their use "over complication".
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colinstone, hi I tries them last year! To be honest if you want a ski to do what they do then ok, if you are a bit more technical then I sit on the fence!
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