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Problem that I only have on steeps....the black that runs back to Arabba is the prime example. When turning left I have no problem....however, when turning right my left ski flaps and vibrates like mad.....any suggestions ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Smokin Joe, put more weight on it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Swap your skis over 
Or, replicate your good turn on the other side
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Smokin Joe, is your ski maybe buckled, once happened to me, ski had landed on end and buckled, very slightly but enough to make it flap! Solution - a new pair!
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Markymark29, like your thinking but I swopped skis and it still happens...getting further forward with more weight is the next step me thinks.
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I third 'more weight' suggestion. If you feel you are putting weight on it (I was still getting it when lifting my uphill ski off) then it may be worthwhile working out if left calf is tighter than the right. I have that problem in reverse and my left turns tend to be 'flappy' because I'm not flexing enough at the ankle. Extra stretches on that side help a lot.
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| Smokin Joe wrote: |
| Markymark29, like your thinking but I swopped skis and it still happens...getting further forward with more weight is the next step me thinks. |
Try pulling/sliding the left foot back a little.
Get someone to make a short clip of you skiing and try to work out what you are doing asymmetrically.
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Insufficient inner ski tip lead.
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| jbob wrote: |
| Smokin Joe, put more weight on it. |
+1 and weight it early in the turn. Hard to say whether you need to put more forward pressure on or not, got any video???
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Smokin Joe, I have found that problem on fast flat Schuss sections, what seems to solve it on those occasions is a conscious effort to weight the flapping ski which is what the others have suggested above. If it works on the flat it might also work on the steeps - though I imagine on the steeps there might be rather more to be concentrating on in the first instance than weighting a specific ski!!  .
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Don't turn so quickly. You ski is pointing accross the slope as your fat ass moves down the slope at pace
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Is it a heavy juddering, in the second half of the turn? Might be too much pressure, so you'd need to be a bit softer with that leg to absorb the excess pressure (or tip the ski with more edge angle so it grips more, but runs much faster which might not be what you're looking to do on a black piste).
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You know it makes sense.
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| DB wrote: |
Try pulling/sliding the left foot back a little |
Out of interest why would you want to possibly promote more counter, when he's already probably struggling to get early pressure on his left ski?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Pies
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Poster: A snowHead
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| gatecrasher wrote: |
| DB wrote: |
Try pulling/sliding the left foot back a little |
Out of interest why would you want to possibly promote more counter, when he's already probably struggling to get early pressure on his left ski? |
To me flapping is associated with higher speed GS turns. I thought maybe he was not over the left ski properly while making a right turn and was pressuring the tail end of the ski more leaving the tip light, which was then flapping at speed.
rob@rar's comments have got me thinking maybe it's just judder.
He could also try sliding the right foot back 
Smokin Joe - is it flapping at higher speeds or judder with slower shorter turns?
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cran
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Get new skis...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum, and I have exactly what you describe . I consciously put the weight on as you say and feel unnaturally awkward as a result. I guess I have to unlearn my failure to evenly weight but would welcome anyone elses views !
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DB, happens on both
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Smokin Joe, basically, I think they're saying you're a rubbish skier .
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I think it's ESF's fault your skis judder. 
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maggi, I know I'm rhubarb...it's just for fun and the craic...
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| Don't turn so quickly. You ski is pointing accross the slope as your fat ass moves down the slope at pace |
And the winner is.........
I few notches tighter on the ski boots has also made a massive difference to my skiing......simple things, big difference.
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Commit, get outa the back seat.
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| CH2O wrote: |
| Commit, get outa the back seat. |
+100
Body/weight management, yo (which is what everyone has pretty much already told you). In the past, I've been notorious for being in the backseat (and still usually am when I start to get tired)! Having your weight on the front of the skis makes a very noticeable difference.
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You know it makes sense.
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| c0Ka|Ne wrote: |
| CH2O wrote: |
| Commit, get outa the back seat. |
+100
Body/weight management, Having your weight on the front of the skis makes a very noticeable difference. |
Having it largely centered with little micro adjustments either side feels even better!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Smokin Joe, ...er I think it's a familiar problem associated with the edge grabbing, letting go, grabbing in quick cycle ie judder. This tends to be associated with insufficient consistent weighting of the edge, in the zone under the forefoot. Often the solution is slightly more flex in the lower body, conscious pressure under the forefoot rather than weight forward - ie more vertical loading of the ski, with flexion in the ankle. Common problem in those just beginning to really hold the edge in the turn, and if it is overcome by attaining the perfect balance position and more weighting of the edge, then the skier is really getting the hang of real carving.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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It's all to do with your ski jacket....you need an orange one with blue trousers....those dressed like that never have flapping skis
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valais2, how would I add more flex to my lower body???
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rungsp, Blue trousers are..."so yesterday afternoon"
yellow's where it's at!
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| kitenski wrote: |
| valais2, how would I add more flex to my lower body??? |
Stroh 80 does it for me.
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As DB said, I think that it could be for a number of reasons. I had the same issue in December, but on my left turns - right hand ski was doing the grip-slide-grip-slide thing like crazy out of the turn - to the point of throwing me into a fall. After a number of wipe outs and a lot of frustration, I realised (should have been obvious) that post a right knee injury in October, I was favouring the weak knee - that is simply not pushing it over and angulating enough to get the edge in properly. I was also subconsciously "saving" the knee by pulling the ski back, meaning that weight was not centred over my boot properly and helping to get the edge in; compounding my problem.
I lapped the iron horse run in Northstar, Tahoe about 10 times before I worked out what I was doing wrong. To quote the liftie at the bottom chair "putting in some hot laps there, man!"
It took a knee brace, physiotherapy (over the whole season) and a damned good ski instructor to correct (I was demoralised as somehow my skiing was getting worse, and I wasn't even drunk!). kept my knees moving together, and made a real effort to lean out down the hill too to get my hips to help my edge angles too! But in the absence of injury, check your knee angulation when you turn. You'll get away with it when cruising around on blues, but steeper runs will quickly show you a problem. Are your knees moving together? Are you varying the distance between your skis when you turn? And weight-wise, are you moving a ski backwards or forwards?
Just a suggestion - one from this season's experience. It's not all about weight - could be angle of edge too...
Or you could just have had too much Jaeger at lunch time. It happens. 
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