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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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well that might do a good job of reinforcing existing negative stereotypes about British skiers. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You mean a great group of ski instructors from another country where a lot of English instructors also work
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Masque wrote: |
http://esf-uk.co.uk/school/northern-alps/
Fascinating . . . there are 0 english speaking instructors in Val Disease |
Not correct. I know i native english speaking instructor who works for ESF Val D,and lots of instructors who speak very good english. Maybe they need to update their web page.
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
| Masque wrote: |
http://esf-uk.co.uk/school/northern-alps/
Fascinating . . . there are 0 english speaking instructors in Val Disease |
Not correct. I know i native english speaking instructor who works for ESF Val D,and lots of instructors who speak very good english. Maybe they need to update their web page. |
....the person you are talking about Stew has gone independent this year me thinks! But concur there are some instructors who speak v good english! But they certainly need to update their website!
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hmm, thats building some comments now..
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I am very amused by the anti-french / ESF xenophobia displayed on snowheads.
Uniformed Daily Mail reading punters from the home counties who think they can visit France and just do as they like?
Don't forget the Austrians banned unqualified ski hosts from the Arlberg a couple of years ago too 
For a little balance....
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"ESF has incorrectly been cited as being the organisation for taking the Le Ski to court for its own protectionism. It should be stressed that ESF has not brought the action in the French courts, but the Public Ministry's (French Administration) did so in pursuing action against Le Ski for non-compliance with French regulations, after a Border Police Patrol Control found them to be contravening French law.
Under Article L.212-1 of the Sport Code in France, it is legal requirement to have a qualification to teach or lead skiing if remuneration is received.
The laws governing sport in France say that it is illegal to 'teach, lead, guide, animate' without an appropriate professional qualification. For professionals, and in particular for ESF, security on ski slopes is of paramount importance. Wintersports touring needs to be conducted with maximum security for those being escorted on the slopes with qualified guides/instructors. France recognises the equivalent professional qualifications for instructors and guides from other countries. Any qualified ski instructor and guide is allowed to operate in France and there is cooperation between European Ski Schools, so the qualifications obtained are to reach the European standards terms of certification. Certificates to operate officially are issued directly by the Ministry of Sports. |
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Haggis_Trap, I knew I had heard something about hosting in Austria being illegal too. You shouldn't be surprised at the anti-French feeling though, it's been going on for a while now.
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Uniformed Daily Mail reading punters from the home counties who think they can visit France and just do as they like?
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I don't think the home counties have any monopoly on the xenophobia. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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pam w, nor the daily mail
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Uniformed Daily Mail reading punters
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Peaked caps and jackboots, one assumes.
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You know it makes sense.
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stewart woodward, just using the ESF's own handy resort school guide . . . on their website
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Hells Bells wrote: |
| You shouldn't be surprised at the anti-French feeling though, it's been going on for a while now. |
All they had to do was give back Aquitaine. Was that really so much to ask?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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All the whitewash about partie civile based on davidof's description is just that. It may be a French legal matter but it only got pursued because ESF were willing to participate.
To pretend otherwise after the event smacks of rank hypocrisy. Perhaps the ESF would like to educate Brit skiers with a complete list of what they did and didn't do re this case if they feel they are being victimised.
...and while we're at it an honest inventory of any complaints any chapter of the ESF haveve made to gendarmaries, mairies and other local authorities re UK TO activities in say the last 10 years. Just to see that they've never had an axe to grind of course - I suspect they'll only be minor complaints about how someone once dropped some litter or lit a cigarette in an inappropriate place
Front of Metro this am too.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 20-02-13 11:35; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ESF has a Hebrew speaking instructor in Alpe D'Huez just in case anyone is interested 
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Claude B, so it's; ski my way or the Oy Vey.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'm not sure exactly when but there is a time of year when L2A is full of Orthodox Jews.
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Claude B, August. And they don't ski.
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Lizzard, So a hebrew speaking instructor isn't a great selling point
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We had Israelis staying at a neighbouring apartment in January, and they did ski, but weren't orthodox, but have seen a couple of guys wearing their skullcaps in Serre Chevalier each winter.
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Nice to see they are so balanced.
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| Thousands of British ski reps face losing their jobs after being banned by a court from offering tours of the slopes in France |
THousands? Are there really that many?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The Fail was actually more restrained than I expected them to be.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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So if rep jobs are going who will go to the airport and collect the punters?
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Cynic, not all companies combine the rep/ski guide roles.
Hells Bells, er, no.
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You know it makes sense.
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Lizzard, it was a remark intended to have a hint of sarcasm.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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It is just getting more and more ridiculous... I can't stop laughing at "great to see their pages emblazoned with the thoughts of the British skier.." as if British skiers have some sort of monopoly. But it's, of course, the French who are arrogant 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Just don't go to France if you don't like it.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 20-02-13 13:20; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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If the ESF in Val D'Isere were likely to be that bothered about attracting more British customers they'd probably have updated their website to boast of the English speaking credentials of their instructors, as discussed earlier in this thread. We stamp our feet and shake our fists and rant on the internet. Rule Britannia, Briton never never never, we have built Jerusalem, we shall overcome....
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| Just don't go to France if you don't like it. |
and leave it for those of us who do.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| Just don't go to France if you don't like it. |
What and miss an opportunity to wind up the ESF, assorted Francophiles etc? One can not like the protectionist attitude of the ESF, in this and other matters, but still like France as a country and French inidividuals. To draw an analogy it's a bit like saying tourists who don't like the attitude of the English Defence League should avoid coming to England.
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Other than teaching most of us to ski, providing some of the best terrain in the world, being pretty good at cooking, having many resorts close to airports serviced by cheap flights, being friendly and welcoming, allowing us to colonise parts of their hills in winter and having invented convenience skiing - what have the French EVER done for us??!!
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Oh might go and post what excellent private lessons we had last week with them in Vallandry
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I'm not sure exactly when but there is a time of year when L2A is full of Orthodox Jews.
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First/second week of August
We are all making the assumption that ESF give a toss
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I like France and the French. What I don't like is the attitude of treating us all like 3 year olds.
TO host:
"This is social skiing. I show you the pistes, lifts with the least queues and somewhere nice to have lunch. I don't teach, I'm not a qualified guide and you take full responsibility for yourself."
Punter:
"Thanks. I'm an adult and I understand and agree to the deal."
I don't understand what the hell it has to do with anyone else, French or Martian  .
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| fatbob wrote: |
| emwmarine wrote: |
| Just don't go to France if you don't like it. |
What and miss an opportunity to wind up the ESF, assorted Francophiles etc? One can not like the protectionist attitude of the ESF, in this and other matters, but still like France as a country and French inidividuals. To draw an analogy it's a bit like saying tourists who don't like the attitude of the English Defence League should avoid coming to England. |
No, you can easily visit England and not have any contact with the EDL or them have any impact on your stay there at all. All the whingeing about the ski resorts in France seems crazy to me - people repeatedly doing the same thing and seemingly expecting different results and being disappointed. The whingers are adults who can choose to go skiing wherever they want. If the French laws, ESF, lack of ski hosting, beer, food, prices, service, accommodation, French culture etc. wee wee you off, then either go skiing somewhere else or just deal with it... although the worst whingers about skiing in France are the people who don't even ski there; that is crazy - you've moved on, found something better... get over it!
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