 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm off to Banff in a few weeks time. The big question I have to those who have been previously is this:-
Are all the runs within the boundary lines of the mountains considered " On Piste" ?
I know most are ungroomed with a few that are groomed. The thing is that in Europe, generally ungroomed means "Off Piste" where as I now hear that in Banff skiing outside the boundaries in the back country would be considered Off Piste and unpatrolled but inside the boundaries is patrolled and considered On Piste? This is the latest info that I have but wondering if it affects my Current Ski insurance, which only covers me for On Piste. I have emailed them but no reply so far, as it would appear they don't cover Off Piste.....
Any more info gratefully received 
Andy.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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AJQ, marginally grey area . . . the whole area is patrolled and not all pistes are 'groomed' to all intents and purposes, all the patrolled area is "piste" just a lot of it will never see a machine on it. Usually the area is called "in-bounds".
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I always take the position that if it appears on a resort map, isn't closed and patrol are quite happy to rescue you there (for free as its NA) then it's not off piste in the intended definition. I did confirm this with an insurer once but YMMV.
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AJQ, Usually insurance stipulates within the resort boundary IIRC ( ours always have ), might be worth clarifying this with yours. Meaning that you would be covered rather than skiing back country - outside of the resorts boundary - then you wouldnt, unless specified.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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YMMV? & IIRC? Not sure what this means ?
Thanks for the replies guys, gives me something to think about.
I need more details from my current insurers though.
Andy.
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You'll need to Register first of course.
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Your mileage may vary, If I recall correctly. Don't describe it as off-piste when asking them the question - ask them if you are on named runs within the ski area boundary are you covered?
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Thanks fatbob, I will do just that. About to email them shortly. Thanks for the tip
Andy.
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AJQ, does your current policy actually say "On Piste" or does it say something liked "Marked runs"?
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This what the policy says:-
Winter Sports - Winter Sports means skiing, snow boarding and ice-skating, but does not include any other activities such as tobogganing, lugeing, hot dogging or any form of off piste skiing/snowboarding.
Dangerous sports or activities - there is no cover under this insurance for claims arising from any such activity as outlined below.
● Bobsleigh
● Bungee Jumping
● Competitive sports played in a pre-organised tournament or event
● Dirt Bikes
● Diving from heights exceeding 5 metres
● Hang Gliding
● Heli Skiing
● Hot Dogging
● Lugeing
● Motorcycling if the engine capacity of the motor cycle exceeds 125cc unless
the rider holds a valid licence which permits them to ride a motorcycle of
more than 125cc engine capacity
● Mountaineering/rock climbing using ropes and guides
● Off Piste Skiing
● Parachuting
● Paragliding over land
● Professional Sporting Activities
● Quad Biking
● Racing other than on foot
● Scuba Diving to a depth of more than 30 metres
● Ski Doos
● Ski Jumping (water or snow)
● Sky Diving
● Toboggoning
● White Water Canoeing or Rafting
● Winter Sports, as defined, unless the premium has been paid for this cover
As you can see, there is no real clear definition of Off Piste at all 
Andy .
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Personally I wouldn't be worried as long as I was sticking to a marked trail.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Just got this reply back so happy enough with existing cover 
"What I am willing to confirm is that this insurance policy will
provide cover if you are skiing on piste (i.e. within the resort
boundaries) which is patrolled by Ski Patrols."
Andy.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| AJQ wrote: |
| ...which is patrolled by Ski Patrols... |
It's never been clear to me which parts of a North American mountain are patrolled by Ski Patrols. Once you hit the double-blacks, it's rarely obvious whether you're on a named run or not. Many double-blacks aren't even named on the mountain; and many interesting little chutes, etc - which may be fenced-off by Ski Patrol if conditions deteriorate - don't appear on the trail map, even though they all have local names.
Hopefully you can rely on the 'within the resort boundaries' definition instead.
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cran
cran
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Why not just get a policy that covers off piste and park explicitly...
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You know it makes sense.
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| Jonny Jones wrote: |
| AJQ wrote: |
| ...which is patrolled by Ski Patrols... |
It's never been clear to me which parts of a North American mountain are patrolled by Ski Patrols. Once you hit the double-blacks, it's rarely obvious whether you're on a named run or not. Many double-blacks aren't even named on the mountain; and many interesting little chutes, etc - which may be fenced-off by Ski Patrol if conditions deteriorate - don't appear on the trail map, even though they all have local names.
Hopefully you can rely on the 'within the resort boundaries' definition instead. |
Generally, inside the boundary and not specifically marked as closed is covered.
There are some specific instances which are slightly different.... for example early/late season Whistler. Not all the area within the resorts boundary is fully open. Patrol set up a rope marking this smaller area. You can still ski the area outside this, but it is not-patrolled/back-county/out-of-bounds/off-piste even though you are still inside the resort boundary. This is pretty well marked though.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Thanks for your reply . I have given a more comprehensive answer to your reply on the other thread .
Many thanks for that.
Andy .
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Poster: A snowHead
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Piste means trail or track, so I don't see how everything within the resort boundary can be on-piste. On the other hand everything in-bounds in America is intended to be avalanche-safe in the same way as only pistes are in Europe. Not very helpful, sorry.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So really it is a discrepancy between the the definitions of On/Off Piste, and In Bounds/Back Country in Europe vs USA and Canada?
I think the terms Un Groomed and Groomed seem to offer a better definition of Terrain whether it be In Bounds USA and Canada or Off Piste Europe though IMHO .
Andy.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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snowball, It's easier to say that skiing is permitted/encouraged in all locations within the patrolled area so the entire area is "on piste"
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