 Poster: A snowHead
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Im off to Banff at the end of the month and am going to service our kit myself.
Trying to find out snow temp is proving difficult.
I appreciate that conditions change daily, so asking what to use in 3 weeks time is a bit of a "length of string" question!
Most 'blue' wax is -6 to -16c, which is what im looking at, is that a safe bet?
I was planning on getting some notwax too. Have read that once preped a coat of notwax prior to ironing in some wax is good, opinions appreciated.
Plan is:
Iron in some universal wax and scrape out whilst still molten
Then use base cleaner to remove anything that remains
Edge sharpen
Notwax
Universal wax
Scrape after an hour
'Cold wax' (which one???)
Scrape after an hour
Notwax
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm intrigued to know why you'd put notwax on before the wax as it's primary ingredient is PTFE, ie non stick teflon, surely it'll stop the wax sticking to the base? I'm ready to be educated.
I always carry it on the hill just in case and put some on a couple of times in a week to keep the plank super slippy.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ItsSnowJoke,
As you say, it's a piece of string. Temperatures could be -20 or lower, or they could be -5. It's too far ahead to guess. However, once a weather system gets in it's likely to be stable for several days, so it's unlikely to be variable from day-to-day.
Maybe gryphea will stop in here and give you a more informed local's perspective.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Tue 5-02-13 14:25; edited 1 time in total
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ItsSnowJoke, whatever you do, skip your second process!!!
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Should you leave the colder waxes on that long? I use the -16 to -24 wax for dry slope skis and if you left it an hour you'd never get it off.
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Unfortunately I am not that knowledgable about wax; more knowledgable about Albertan temps.
But its way too far in advance to know what the temps will be
Plus in my experience its not just about temps its about some unknown quantity, maybe some mix of temps and humidty. Around -20C we tend to find our skis sticking, but the other day for no reason it was stickier much warmer and that was for everyone, yet I have skied colder and it not been sticky (but then last year we had a personal waxer, he charged $200 per family for up to 8 pairs of skis as often as you liked for the whole season, and I think sometimes he may have put on a cold wax and us not realised, not surprisingly he went bust)
I would guess the blue wax is about right, and if you hit a cold patch pop in your skis for a colder wax which should be on offer at some of the tuners etc.
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Mix of blue and red to hedge your bets or wait til the night before and make a more educated call?
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ItsSnowJoke, yep, base cleaner is primarily used for cleaning areas for repair, if you clean the bases with it you will have to put probably 10 wax cycles on to get them nourished back to where you were.
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ItsSnowJoke, You can get wax designed for cleaning the base, that's what I use. I wouldn't use base cleaner. Ambient temp isn't the same as snow temp
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Thanks for all the replys. I'll give the cleaner a miss then gatecrasher, thanks.
If i just used blue as a top coat after universal, what would the implications be if it wasn't that cold? As i understand it, higher temp wax dissapears under colder conditions, is that due to higher friction from colder snow?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Hmmm, starting to rethink my own use of base cleaner now. Any recommendations on a wax designed for cleaning bases?
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You know it makes sense.
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I used a universal wax on my board (i think it's skidata - a pale green colour) and waxed as I normally would, ie wax scrapewhen warm, then rewax, scrape when cold, nylon bristle brush and polish with scotchbrite pad.
There was a day at LL where air temp was -29, it was F cold. I didn't think my board ran that well until waxed in resort by a shop after a weeks or so. I don't know was the universal wax not really up to the cold over there? I'd go with cold wax.........
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Claude B, Thanks. Went searching on Edge and Wax and couldn't find anything answering the description.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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spyderjon, You know I'm a loyal customer and have pointed many people in their direction. Just telling it like it is.
I'll certainly try out some of that wax. Maybe it's something Edge and Wax could add to their range.
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scottydog, Thanks, I was hoping you'd pop up at some point. It's my own ignorance not recognising what the product does just from it's name. Having read the full description it makes sense. Now I just have to decide whether to annoy you or spyderjon. maybe i should buy both and see which i like best.
Incidently do you know the answer to the question about Notwax at the top of the thread?
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Is this thread a wind up? 
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DT68, why do you ask?
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| robapplegate wrote: |
| DT68, why do you ask? |
Hmm. Just seems a slightly surreal topic, even by the standards of Snowheads! 
But if anyone can help me with how many layers I should wear at 2,500m on the Kriegerhorn in 37 days time, you will have my attention.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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robapplegate, wax does not 'stick' to the p-tex base but is absorped in to the pores within it - the heating of the iron opens up the pores to allow this to happen - which is why the skis are then left to fully cool/contract (to trap in the wax) prior to scraping off the excess & brushing out the structure grooves.
I 'discovered' Dominator wax whilst skiing in Utah in 2005 & started importing it then. It's been so popular that other retailers have since jumped on the bandwagon.
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The Dominator guy showed me a couple of secret stash hot pow laps when I got talking to him on a chair and it got round to the fact that I knew his UK guy. Skied seriously fast mind.
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You know it makes sense.
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spyderjon,I see what you mean, I think I may have phrased my question poorly. My query was about the OPs idea he'd come across of putting Notwax on before applying wax, which seems counterintuitive to me 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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robapplegate, it's called the Felix Process - the idea is to mix the Zardoz with the wax so it gets absorped in to the base as well. Seems to work particularly well with cold temp blue waxes which means it also works well on dryslopes.
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Poster: A snowHead
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spyderjon, Thanks, now I just need to order some of that cleaning wax, and book some waxing tuition
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This advice is all well and good, but unless you are racer or similar you are unlikely to notice the difference in on snow speed. Universal temp wax will suffice for pretty much everything. If the snow was super cold or very wet you may notice a slight drop in speed but again very little.
The Felix process with notwax is fine but notwax is only really helpfull if the snow is very wet, if its normal or cold the friction strips it away very quickly.
My best advice is to do 2 applications of hotwax, with a light scrape in between, on the last coat do a light scrape while the wax is still soft, not liquid, then leave in the cool overnight. Good scrape then most important I believe is a proper going over with a structuring brush. Voila. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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snowbum1971, Agreed. However many so called universal waxes (ie having a wide snow temperature operating range) aren't that universal - some have only a 5 degree range which is pretty narrow. That's why the Dominator Lime is so good as it performs really well from 0 to -mid teens C.
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Yep, Dominator waxes are excellent!
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We do it in 400g too....
), the advice from Jon was on tooling, not my above plan.
Just new to this, please excuse the ignorance 