 Poster: A snowHead
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Just back from a Poma-infested week in Chatel. Some of those Pomas are deadly! I tried all sorts of approaches from trying to be still whenthe Poma kicks in to trying to out-pace it with arush. There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to whether the thing will try to jerk you off (innuendo, really?). Anybody know why this happens and how to prevent it?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Chris Bish, just relax and enjoy the intimacy 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Masque, Yes, but with wet leather gloves I was left empty-handed looking more of a numpty than normal.
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I like it. It's the only way I can hit those falsetto notes.
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Tried a poma on the snowboard at New Year. It just spat me off. I walked to the chair instead.
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Serriadh, No chance. I am far too old to walk uphill.
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Poma Snatch? Sounds like something that afflicts female skiers riding tows with inadequate undercrackers
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High qualty lube and/or an extra internal layer does it 
Serious response: I'd always thought the viciousness of the take-off depended on how steep the initial ascent was? I've got the impression that drag lifts on beginner slopes were very gentle but where they let you off on say a red run then the track of the drag was a bit steep so needed a bit extra oomph to get you up there.
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briand6868, Absolutely essential, I agree. All the same, those contraptions still seem to pick on me. I have seen people lifted off their feet - or skis anyway. I think the snatch is to do with slack in the tow-line, but would be glad of a scientific explanation.
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There always seems to be one that snatches - the one I use.... I'm wondering if the snatchy ones have weakened springs i.e. so that they extend more before "catching" but instead of catching smoothly it's sudden. May be just that - wear and tear.
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Find one with a knackered spring and it'll just run out til you hit the end stop - then whoosh.
Find one with a new spring and it will start pulling you straight away and get you up to speed gently.
Edit: ooh, microseconds!
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You know it makes sense.
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Chris Bish, You're talking to someone who has sampled the poma delights of La Roz onna snowboard  So just Rule 5 man, tuck the lads up high and enjoy the ride
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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It certainly looks as if the ones in the Chatel area are quite "experienced". Is it tired springs that take up suddenly rather than progressively? Does my 97kg cause the problem? I would like to know. Surely there is a snowheads engineer that knows how they work.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Chris Bish, I'm a relative lightweight at 80 (ish  ) kilos and some of them lift me off my feet.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Chris Bish, I think that altis is correct. I'm not a poma engineer but have an engineering background and the weak spring thing does makes sense.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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no idea about the engineering but you need to keep your knees bent, and keep your upper body well forward - so when it jerks your weight back, you're still balanced. There are some crackers in the Arly Valley - one is the steepest drag still left in France. http://www.espacediamant-ski.net/tkd1_seigneurs.php Rule 5.
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It's the knackered spring/damper that causes the problem . . . just lift companies being cheap . . . there are mechanical and hydraulic systems and all of them wear out and need servicing. As far as I can tell, all the money goes to new lifts rather than making the rest anything more than just "safe".
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That makes a lot of sense, thanks. I did notice that some of the Poma set-ups were needing a lot of care with poles tangling and such. Is slack in the line a factor?
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Chris Bish, We use a poma as its the quickest way to get out of Montalbert (yep La Plagnes lifts are that old) and I reckon it's just a lack of maintenence to the springs, some of the poles snatch some don't if its a really knackered one you can get 3 really good jumps as you leave the lift station 
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Chris Bish, No not the cable tension. It's all down to those pesky springs. The tensioned reelers of a T-bar are a far more forgiving design, but more expensive and higher maintenance. Hence the move to Pomas.
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So..... presumably the extra kg I contribute will give the spring a lot more to do, which is why I get snatched more than lighter types. Why does it alwayscome down to "lose some more weight you fat b@stard?"
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Chris Bish, I'm sure I've recently read some drivel on this somewhere recently, and it was because the Poma's are old, the springs worn, and the cables stretched and yes, it is weight related. There's a particularly vicious one in Serre Che. It is very steep and I sweat all the way up in case I come off, as it would not be good to ski back to the bottom.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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sarah, but still better than T-bars!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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could anyone try and combine the problems of Poma's snatching and jerking you off with the thread by the 19 year old au pair looking for snowy fun in les Arcs??
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Poster: A snowHead
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ed123, I think I just 'moistened' myself
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'd sooner ride a poma than a ruddy T bar any day.
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one problem with the Seigneur is that if you fall off, you trek through some trees and back down a quite difficult bumpy black run, to the bottom. and try again. No alternative other than an occasional bus to Crest Voland. And it's long.
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| pam w wrote: |
| one problem with the Seigneur is that if you fall off, you trek through some trees and back down a quite difficult bumpy black run, to the bottom. and try again. No alternative other than an occasional bus to Crest Voland. And it's long. |
Pam, you just ski back down the track the lift takes, slaloming between the skiers on the lift as you do.
I mean, Dohhhhh!
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I'd sooner ride a poma than a ruddy T bar any day.
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Megamum, you don't snowboard then! Give me a T bar any day, or better still a chair 
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O.P Lack of maintenance
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FAQ
) than average, or if the spring is knackered or spring-rate badly calculated (eg perches swapped between lifts willy-nilly) you will not get a smooth ride.
! But every perch went up loaded and we didn't add ourselves to the queue 
