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I have returned to the world of telemark skiing recently and having a hard time navigating through all the equipment offered these days. I am looking for a good all mountain tele binding for use at the ski area. No climbing or backcountry. Any suggestions??
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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NTN Rottefella Freeride or Freedom
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Great. Thanks for the information.
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Jules139, the Freeride gives the option of three fore/aft positions (with 15mm of seperation between each) & with additional bases attached to other skis you can share one pair of bindings across other skis.
Freedom is lower & lighter (& beautifully machined) but has a fixed position although with Quiver Killer binding inserts you can still share them across other skis.
The Freedom & the centre position on the Freeride should mounted with the boot line on the ski line or no more than 1cm forward.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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spyderjon, with blue springs they are really active and you don't need to go forward unless you're a trad low-leg dragger.
Sound's like you're getting into tele 
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Sat 5-01-13 22:49; edited 1 time in total
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Jules139, You'll need NTN specific boots for them. Scarpa or Crispi
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I just started telemarking after a 15 year break. The last pair of telemark bundings I had were Riva's mounted on an old pair of downhill skis. My boots were Asolo Extremes, the old leather ones. I hate to admit it but I have no idea what everyone is talking about!! I think a basic cable binding would be ok for me. I just bought a new pair of Scarpa T2 Ecos and now need a basic ski binding set up. Suggestions???
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Jules139, economic would be something on the lines of year old Dynastar Legends (available new at 1/2 price) and maybe G3 Targa a simple robust spring and cable setup. The legends are nice and stable mid fat and ride their sidecut nicely in a carve and still have enough softness to wash the tails out.
You could spend big money on Black Diamond skis and bindings for a lightweight powerful mountain blaster but the cheaper option will give you a couple years or more of progression without limiting where you want to slide.
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Great info. I am going to look into this right now. I demo'd a set of atomics with some old cable binding last week and it all came back to me.All except remembering how sore i used to get after a day of skiing. We are headed to Austria early march for some skiing. Cant wait to hit the ultra long runs on a new tele set up! Thanks again.
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| Masque wrote: |
| spyderjon, ......Sound's like you're getting into tele |
Nah, just mounted loads of 'em this season
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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We're going to St Anton, and my wife alpine skis. Do you where I can rent tele skis there? I will bring my boots, but leave the skis at home. I'm in the NE USA trying to find equipment to try out here first, but its slim pickings on tele gear where we are.
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You know it makes sense.
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Jules139, I'm down in Florida and not skied in St Anton. Best do both a google search for ski hire in St Anton . . . AND . . . Post a help request in the 'Piste' section of this forum, you should get some good response. There's plenty of time to get things organised.
Nice to see a fellow yank exploring the World 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Jules139, I've just returned from a week in St Anton. Although I've got my own Tele gear so had no need to hire, I know that Sport Pete in the main pedestrian only street (Dorfstrasse 17) do tele equipment, and they rent out tele skis. If you have any specific requirements best to contact them directly either via info@sportpete.com or telephone +43 5446 3710.
Hope this helps. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Hi Alastair, Happy New Year, good to see you still grinding yer knees to jelly and thanks for the assist
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Jules139, If you are after a cable binding --- look at 22 Designs (Hammerhead, Bombshell or Vice). Similar money to the G3s, but at least it's a binding designed in the 21st century !
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| Masque wrote: |
Jules139,
Nice to see a fellow yank exploring the World |
Went to Wengen and Zermatt last year for the first time, now we're hooked.
Thanks for the great advice here, looking forward to getting a great set-up and may have even decided to bring the equipment with me.
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barry, TTS is pure tele using a Dynafit tech nose piece instead of duckbill. The position of the cable/spring mount is (now) adjustable to change the 'feel' of the heellift from soft to very'active' It is releasable and VERY light but from all reports Very solid and direct.
TTS is just a one man operation and he's developing it slowly. Me I want the ability to change from Tele to alpine at the click of a switch. The ability to just need one pair of boots for all your needs is a real advantage. And a comfy one. I can wander around in my NTN boots all day 
It would give me the ability to travel with two pairs of skis and my teleboard with boots and still be well within baggage weight limits . . . and sell off a lot of my stuff that for the most part just gains dust.
It was a shame that Bishop have disappeared, my Bombers are indestructible, they release and fit NTN, AT and duckbills.
edit: you can use at boots in the TTS setup, even the non-bellows type and the lightweight touring boots
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I get the setup details but NTN and inserts for a tech binding gives you the same thing? That's the part I'm struggling a bit with - its already possible with more established kit. There's no real money saving as I don't think you can get tech heel pieces separately, so again struggling to see benefit - is quicker changeover that big a deal?
I have an old set of bombers too in the garage - fab bindings, gorgeous looking things too
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barry, For me it's predominantly about weight and with the tech heel pieces set up to screw in with quiver killers they'd still be used when I want them. NTN boots allow me to hire AT skis in resort and hire shops are moving to NTN. For me it's the best of all worlds and I still have my old Rott series 2 NTN bindings I can pop onto rock hoppers or some SL/GS gate clippers just to be very stupid and race them . . . I need to up my fitness though 
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If I was starting from scratch, and had the money readily available, then I think NTN would probably be the answer, as a lot of other people are saying. However, I've stuck with 75mm gear for a few different reasons:
(1) I wasn't rich enough to justify buying new NTN bindings and boots at the same time, especially when I hadn't even definitely settled on the idea of telemarking in preference to alpine. I've really searched around for cheap second-hand kit, and there's a lot more cheap 75mm gear hanging around, although you have to work hard to find it. Give NTN a few more years and that might not be a problem.
(2) NTN doesn't have an adjustable DIN-calibrated release function. Admittedly, only the 7tm bindings do have this, but still, that was a factor for me. I know you can get different stiffness cartridges for NTN and adjust them, but you're relying completely on trial and error to get the right release level set.
(3) I also have old-style 3-pin cross-country gear and leather boots. Keeping 75mm gear means that I can use my leather boots if I really want.
(4) NTN isn't *truly* step-in like the 7tm STI design is. I'm not saying NTN is difficult, but the 7tm design is a little easier to use IMHO (as long as you use brakes and no leashes)
(5) One that doesn't apply to me but does for a few people: weight and simplicity. If you're doing light touring in rolling terrain, the lightest NTN setup is going to be unnecessarily heavy and annoyingly stiff compared to a simple cable binding and some more lightweight boots.
All of which means I'm currently using Garmont Genesis boots with 7tm STI power tour bindings, mounted on a pair of Black Diamond skis that were thrown in for £25 when I bought the boots. The most expensive part of the set-up was the newly-bought 7tm bindings but they were cheap compared to the kit I'd have had to buy to switch to NTN.
Nevertheless, though, in a world where I had several hundred pounds just floating around and the time to experiment with cartridge settings, I'd probably go NTN.
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^ fair dinkum. Strong chance you'll get there (NTN) in a couple of years anyway, but nothing lost really if you stay with duckbill in the meantime.
Many believe that NTN reinvented Tele, many others think that's BS - I tend towards the former although it probably can't be truly claimed until the new Freedom model kicks in properly (only first season this year which is why I'm holding out). Once it's taken (might be a change or two from launch model), then in theory it gives NTN pretty much everything, incl lightness. (TTS devotees aside - I think that's a pretty niche market even by Tele standard but lots of Tele guys have been switching to tech in last year or two so who knows- I've got a tech setup and a tele(NTN) setup and am happy to throw them both in the boot / bag if necessary, although decision on which to use is usually made before that point). Freedom in theory has skiability, tourability, low weight and semi release (release and especially DIN certified release not a big deal for many). I for one wil be delighted if it turns out that way - I love NTN and am happy enough to continue my pottering day tours on them but recognise the weight and stride benefit the freedom will bring - if it skis as well as the freeride then I'm in
Anyway, enjoy the transition, it's awesome, and I imagine much eaiser when its a return.
I started on 75 mm and I changed to NTN FOR 3 reasons
1. Shiney shiney
2. Step in (my first afternoon Tele on 75mm was about 10 minutes skiing and the rest trying to get into them!
3. Not a good one this but the notion that NTN was easier than 75mm to revert to parallel turns while learning - I think it's true but not a great reason for switching - i'm a lazy learner!
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barry,
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NTN reinvented Tele
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Hammerheads came closer.... 
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FAQ
that and a telemark snowboard . . . but we don't talk about that.
I'd better go find the next insane piece of self harming weapon 
(or a dedicated light tele touring setup, in which case freedom must be a strong contender). It still looks a tad homemade too. Not raggin on it, just not really getting it 
