 Poster: A snowHead
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I didn't attend this year because I'm going to the London show on Wednesday.
But I went to Birmingham last year and had a thoroughly enjoyble day.
I met a great number of passionate, interesting people from all over the ski world who were more than willing to share their opinons and experiences. Not unlike on this forum.
And whilst the resort and manufacturers websites are great, it's face to face time and asking the right questions on forums such as this that gets you the information you're looking for, and sometimes the deals.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
AndAnotherThing.., I think its more about the fact that Divers in general are much more likely to get up of their back bottom and support an event like this, thus there are more exhibitors, more DEALS, sorry will re-empathise that for those who only want DEALS to be had. Instead of sitting on their hands and then joyfully moaning about it instead of doing anything about it.
I read this old fashioned, clonky forum regularly and very rarely find anyone being positive or trying to do anything for the UK Ski Industry. Put your own houses in order first!! |
As a diver, I can confirm that the UK diving industry has been in decline for some years, with less and less retailers surviving, and those that do aren't going to the shows any more. The kind of feedback here reflects the kind of feedback many experienced divers have about the dive shows - it doesn't surprise me, but the model is frankly miles out of date.
With the internet, if a shop wants to compete they are much wiser to spend their money on their website and offering a good level of service for a competitive price. That, typically, wins in the current market.
Unfortunately the show organisers are charging thousands of pounds to get exhibitors in, charging customers to get in the door, and that mix is having the effect we can predict - less customers, less exhibitors, as a result less sales and less incentive for both parties. What needs to happen is that you need to get more people in, usually by making it free to get in, and by offering something a bit more compelling than "come and see the same stuff you can see at every store up and down the country"
Frankly a forum which organises trips with 100+ skiiers more than three times a year is doing more for the UK ski industry than the UK industry is doing for itself. The amount of new equipment, bought in the UK, sessions at snowdomes, happening in the UK, and training and coaching, done in the UK, is staggering when you meet people who are on these things. And that's just the effect from the trips organised here. But if you are struggling with an old fashioned, clonky forum there are plenty of fancy websites with all the software but none of the activity. Feel free to design something better, and see if you can convince any of us to come and play on your website instead.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Monium, Well said.
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
Frankly a forum which organises trips with 100+ skiiers more than three times a year is doing more for the UK ski industry than the UK industry is doing for itself. The amount of new equipment, bought in the UK, sessions at snowdomes, happening in the UK, and training and coaching, done in the UK, is staggering when you meet people who are on these things. And that's just the effect from the trips organised here. But if you are struggling with an old fashioned, clonky forum there are plenty of fancy websites with all the software but none of the activity. Feel free to design something better, and see if you can convince any of us to come and play on your website instead. |
well said!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No point me advertising my chalet here then as you lot aren't interested in what I have to offer rather go on a trip that puts cash into the pocket of an appartment owner in Europe
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Frankly a forum which organises trips with 100+ skiiers more than three times a year is doing more for the UK ski industry than the UK industry is doing for itself
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and not even be concerned the trips are not ABTA or ATOL bonded thus no security and totally undermining professionally minded operators
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And on that note my membership is cancelled and I will advice all the other small independents I know to do the same!!!
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Membership of ATOL and ABTA?
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
| And on that note my membership is cancelled and I will advice all the other small independents I know to do the same!!! |
You'll not be missed, don't let the door hit you on the backside on the way out.
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Montblancskier, Did you exhibit at the show ?
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Gets even better they don't even let you terminate your membership or if they do they bury it so deep you can't be arsed to look for it!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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AndAnotherThing.., No I was out of the country for two of the three days but have already made enquiries into next years show
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
| And on that note my membership is cancelled and I will advice all the other small independents I know to do the same!!! |
I've got the perfect customer for you - her name is pandora, although presumably you won't now take the referral.
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Montblancskier, despite all this I'm sure admin will be the first to say that if you want to reconsider and contribute here with an open mind (and perhaps a bit more knowledge of what goes on here) you'll still be more than welcome.
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You know it makes sense.
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. The SoPi bash in Serre Chevalier was booked through Ski Miquel who are members of ATOL. Some of the hotels stayed in for other bashes were booked through TOs.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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fatbob, 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
| Standee, No I am 6' 3" have played at Centre for a number of semi pro rugby clubs and happy to meet you in a dark alley one night!! |
Boooooow, this isn't a dating site you know but let me know how your date goes.
I think Montblanc should wear a red rose in his lapel if you are meeting down a dark alley to avoid any embarrasing episodes.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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No point me advertising my chalet here then as you lot aren't interested in what I have to offer rather go on a trip that puts cash into the pocket of an appartment owner in Europe
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You are clearly having a bad day, or perhaps year. However I'll let that pass.
How do you know that any number of  haven't already used your chalet? As we are all snowsports enthusiasts and pay our hard (or in some cases not hard) earned money to various tour operators, chalet owners, transport providers, ski-hire companies, ski-schools. Not counting the fact that we all as already pointed out, spend what is probably a considerable amount of money on equipment, surely that is contributing to the ski industry as a whole?
As for the 'moaning', human nature but I saw the majority of the comments as negative comments about the show. If I had stayed in your chalet, which I have no doubt is luxurious, well appointed and well serviced by you and your team and had a bad experience I would hardly leave a review saying "The toilets were lovely and clean" as it doesn't give an indicative perception (and perception is after all down the to the individual) of my experience does it?
Scratch that, I am now not going to ever leave a bad review, I'll just write "The toilets were lovely and clean" it'll sweep through the internet review site and forums like wildfire, consider it the new "my bad" equivalent of reviews.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ansta1,
Just like "attendance reasonable, sick leave acceptable, timekeeping average..." 
I'll pass that on to Mrs M - she is always looking for something positive to say however dire a place is.
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| Montblancskier wrote: |
| No point me advertising my chalet here then as you lot aren't interested in what I have to offer rather go on a trip that puts cash into the pocket of an appartment owner in Europe |
You seem to be ignorant of the large number of people who do put their chalets on here. Amongst other things.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Perhaps NIXMAP hasn't found anyone to run his chalet and decided to rent it out through a sock puppet?
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| bobmcstuff wrote: |
You seem to be ignorant of the large number of people who do put their chalets on here. Amongst other things. |
+ the very positive and supportive unsolicited endorsement that some members of the "UK ski industry" get through the experience of sHs + members of the UK ski industry who manage to engage very positively and successfully with the "whingers and moaners" here.
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having been to the ski-show in london every year for ages, i gave the NEC a try last saturday. what a disappointment. the whole thing seemed very dismal to me. i tried to buy a pair of rossignol boots but the guy on the stand said it was display only and i would have to go a rossignol stockist. so not wanting to come away empty handed, i thought i'd buy a plain, white, cotton roll-neck, with or without a zip, but there wasn't one in the whole place. i did however, buy a ham roll...for £5.50.
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I have no idea how people like Montblancskier manage to so thoroughly shoot themselves in the foot. Maybe it's indicative of the problems with the "UK Ski Industry"* that he seems to think customers should be catering to it rather than the other way around.
* - I'm not particularly sure what the problems might be but from the people I've met and the guys who run businesses and post on here it seems to be going pretty well.
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On a completely unrelated note perhaps its time for the death of the 'ski show' and the revitalisation of the 'film festival' or something. 
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anyway a bit of minor detective work presents me with this:
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Montblancskier
Ignore this (silly old) snowHead:
Montblancskier
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Posts: 27 I used to work there as part of the dmg organising team we used sell over 50,000 full price tickets in 10 days there were great days!!! oh hum
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So not quite the objective punter when it comes to these matters,
Anyone want to take bets on whether Montblancskier is acquaninted with Mr Keith, late of this parish? His grasp of the English language and what this forum is for seem similarly tenuous.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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fatbob, I'd bet my apartment he's acquainted
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Hells Bells, what you doing on here? as UK based chalet owner surely this forum cannot be good for business with all us moaners and whingers about?
BTW how clean are your toilets as I wouldn't want to leave an inappropriate review if I ever stayed there?
Gotta love this place!
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One other thing I noticed at the ski show is just how outdated and rundown the NEC looks, then when you get inside the show matched up to the first impression
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You know it makes sense.
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On the subject of Mr K - anyone lucky enough to witness the glamour & prestige of the Snivel awards yesterday? That I would have paid to see.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Montblancskier, do you think you could tell us which is your chalet? It's just if you treat your customers and the general public the way you've treated us, we need to make sure we never end up there. It seems unlikely, because SH provides all the ski holidays I could ever need, but worth knowing just in case you decide to try and "meet me down a dark alley" in response to anything other than glowing reviews.
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Poster: A snowHead
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have to say this thread doesn't exactly make me want to engage with the UK Ski Industry any more than I do currently
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Arno wrote: |
| have to say this thread doesn't exactly make me want to engage with the UK Ski Industry any more than I do currently |
well thanks for the vote of confidence
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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CEM, I'm sure no-one could tar you with the same brush that Montblancskier has painted himself with.
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| meh wrote: |
| I have no idea how people like Montblancskier manage to so thoroughly shoot themselves in the foot. Maybe it's indicative of the problems with the "UK Ski Industry"* that he seems to think customers should be catering to it rather than the other way around. |
Fair point. It's not often that someone turns up here and delivers a flurry of misjudged, imbalanced comments that dig a hole for the poster at quite such a pace as we've seen here. Generally, it indicates disingenuity, as someone who tells the truth doesn't usually have trouble getting his facts to marry up believably.
I felt the posts of Montblancskier had that dishonest air to them - so I had a little rummage in the Hamsters' lockers and er... well it's all quite indisputable 
[edit: I see fatbob has been making his own deductions in the meantime ]
Can anyone remember someone digging a hole for himself like this in the past 
Poor chap: his topics never seem to go the way he wants them to 
| Montblancskier wrote: |
| Standee, No I am 6' 3" have played at Centre for a number of semi pro rugby clubs and happy to meet you in a dark alley one night!! |
Ha ha HAAAA! U little liar! You're nowhere near 6'3 - closer to 5'3 I'd say!
| Montblancskier wrote: |
| No point me advertising my chalet here |
No, I think you'd better not! With your 'way with people' it could only go wrong and anyway, I know for a fact that U don't own a chalet!
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| Montblancskier, Did you exhibit at the show ? |
| Montblancskier wrote: |
| AndAnotherThing.., No I was out of the country for two of the three days but have already made enquiries into next years show |
Er... You were on your stand all 3 days. Funny, how the smell of crap got stronger as one came out of the toilets 
| Montblancskier wrote: |
| I support the UK industry and will continue to do so |
If that's what you call wringing a few quid out of smaller ops that don't know any better than to advertise on a site with no audience, when they desperately need to put their money to much better use, then "way to go" you ol' ski-Philanthropist, you.
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But if you are struggling with an old fashioned, clonky forum there are plenty of fancy websites with all the software but none of the activity. Feel free to design something better, and see if you can convince any of us to come and play on your website instead.
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I think you might find he's already tried that
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that which we call a a poo-poo
By any other name would smell as bad. |
what I think he was trying to say is, someone with a tendency to lie indiscriminately for short term gain is going to get themselves into trouble whatever they call their socks.
On the whole, the people I've met in the ski industry are hard working and honest. If there's a common fault, I'd say it's simply that a few too many have become too [necessarily?] preoccupied with making a living to find the time to have the fun that brought them into the business in the first place.
However... in every field U will find a shyster or two. Fortunately though, snowHeads has an uncanny way of showing them up for what they are
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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CEM, I engage with you from time to time (ahem) and I'm not planning on changing that 
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| ansta1 wrote: |
Hells Bells, what you doing on here? as UK based chalet owner surely this forum cannot be good for business with all us moaners and whingers about?
BTW how clean are your toilets as I wouldn't want to leave an inappropriate review if I ever stayed there?
Gotta love this place! |
If you want to find out, you will have to go and stay there
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| Arno wrote: |
| CEM, I engage with you from time to time (ahem) and I'm not planning on changing that |
Me either in fact I did just that today!
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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I think the word for Montblancskier is searching for is "owned"
what a laughable individual.
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admin, U do have a way with words,
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