The discussion over here and over here prompts the issue that there's a lot of really good skiing technique resources on the web. But that you really need to be careful because there's a lot of stuff that you really should ignore.
So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread where we post some the good, the bad and the ugly.
Before I go first, I'll just suggest that when you take advice
- take advice off people you've seen ski (including on this forum!)
- only take their advice if you want to ski like them
- determine whether you want to ski like them by looking at a range of materials.
My offers (and feel free to disagree). If you don't like something then please say why.
Good
Jaz Lamb (BASS Morzine and BASI Trainer) doing short turns...
Wow, he is spectacularly crap. He hasn't even a vague idea of what he's on about.
Worrying that there are people out there that might actually be taking his advice.
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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FlyingStantoni,
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Bad... Anything by this guy because the skiing is just pants...
Not half, jeez I could barely watch. Way beyond ugly in my opinion.
Anything by or connected with Harald Harb. Not because I think he's a bad skier but there seems to be a lot of kool aid you have to drink to be a disciple and it might mess with your mind a bit too much.
To illustrate my point anyone make head or tail of this?:
Bode Swiller,
That clip just seems like instruction on the complete opposite of what anyone should be doing.
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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
alexwillard wrote:
Wow, he is spectacularly crap. He hasn't even a vague idea of what he's on about.
Worrying that there are people out there that might actually be taking his advice.
yep; why would he wear his knee support on the outside of his ski trousers? TFW of the highest order...
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FlyingStantoni, hmmm, I'd like to be able to alpine ski like skimottaret, but if I were learning to tele...
I shall probably live to regret posting that.
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Pedantica wrote:
...if I were learning to tele...
Pedantica, Pedantica, Pedantica...
...you just don't understand what you've done to yourself. Do you?
(I'll find someone who can telemark properly and get back to you!)
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FlyingStantoni,
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..you just don't understand what you've done to yourself. Do you?
I do. I just like living dangerously, or something.
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Another Youtube resource is http://www.youtube.com/elatemedia - the youtube channel for the Ski School App on the iPhone and android..
Met the team at Metro and seem like a great bunch that really want to help skiers of all levels progress with the right info.
As always your thoughts are welcomed
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Who is the skiing God in orange trousers and blue top at 2m:03s in http://www.youtube.com/user/marmottematt opening video? Holy moly that's nice edge control (or lack of it; and I may be getting the name/term wrong) / slipping. His legs look almost straight so he's just doing it by feel? I want to practise until I can do that... Very tidy in my opinion! Edit: all your videos are good Marmottematt ; thanks!
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
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All three in one video! Starts off ugly The bark chippingly-close trees skiing is to me very, very good ; likewise their powerful, fast carving turns in second half (also their variables handling is pretty tasty in first half). The "doorstep" attempt [pushing someone over someone else's back] is bad
with the greatest respect to those guys from freeskier magazine, they arent really doing anything particularly interesting, and their skiing is a bit meh.....onto JF Beaulieu, no teaching going on here but you can learn a lot from watching him. Probably the most inspirational skiing on youtube
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fatbob, thanks for posting that vid... the guy was nuts!
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shoogly, & gives hope to us hacks who use the power slideslip as a frequent tool in our armoury. I don't think he was nuts, he had fantastic balance e.g. being able to waterski on snow skis & a willingness to push the envelope. & don't forget he had a very disciplined technical background in a skiing family and as a mogul skier
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A high quality slow mo of Svindal performing a couple of GS turns. I love this clip, so much to learn from it.
Interesting video Kenny. I don't know what others think, but I'd put BASI somewhere between the Canadians and Austrians. What do others think?
To my eyes, the American skiing style was quite dated with lots of counter in the shorts.
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Kenny, very cool post , would deserve a thread of its own as a comparison of national "styles" i agreed with the canadian coach on most things but thought he missed a few things regarding the French...
The British team were to appear in the above video but their slot was at at 15:30 - by which time they were in the local Apres Ski Bar singing "Alice, Alice who the f... is Alice." aledgedly
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fascinating video, strangely I like the japanese style, but very interesting to see how all the styles differ....
Interesting -so who looks the best? French & Swiss & maybe Canucks for me. Japan looked horrible, Austrians robotic ( though to be fair that was footage of some dreadful coordinated exercise rather than a free run).
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Great link, thanks for posting. Will look in more detail, but first impression is that while there might be some differences between the national systems, the similarities in approach to modern skiing are much more significant than the differences.
However, does it really matter what the top guys in each national system ski like if that doesn't filter through to every instructor qualified in that system. I was teaching a guy this morning who had some lessons with a Swiss instructor in Zermatt and some of the things he was told to do ("ski across the hill then swing your shoulders to make the skis turn") should make your hair curl!
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fatbob, that was an Austrian free run. You should see them when they get disciplined!
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FlyingStantoni wrote:
Interesting video Kenny. I don't know what others think, but I'd put BASI somewhere between the Canadians and Austrians. What do others think?
To my eyes, the American skiing style was quite dated with lots of counter in the shorts.
Ah yes, the counter in the shorts. I asked this very question once. The consensus reached (by coaches and ex national teamers, not instructors) is modern slalom is all crazy sidecut and lots of carving. Movement is mainly lateral so you tend to stay square to the skis. Outside the gates (in Whistler anyway) you can't ski like that or you will die, you had better know how to pivot your skis and keep your upper body pointed down the cliff so you tend to be countered. If you pivot your skis and try to keep squared up I think they would call this 'rotation' and you would probably not stop falling until you hit the village. It's a theory, not sure what the CSIA party line is.
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Kenny, looking at the CSIA grading videos it looks like the CSIA line is to stay parallel.
On a 45-50 degree slope you'll find me both countering and whimpering. But it doesn't necessarily make it either pretty or effective...
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