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| AndAnotherThing.. wrote: |
| The other 'steering' consideration is the surface you are teaching on. Rotation is probably going to be harder for most if it's a plastic slope. |
No problem if the skis are kept "relatively" flat, it only becomes a problem with little ones, oh! and bigger ones for that matter is when they put their knees too close together and "jam those edges in!"
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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haha Lechbob, I'm gonna go with that being the standard blokey problem, did you also learn in Austria?
The ÖSV (German for closed minded Ski-God club) absolutely refuses to believe that mens and womens legs are shaped differently, men who can't do snowplough (i.e. those who may have done some sport before and have bowed legs) are obviously mentally retarded foreigners who just weren't meant to ski.
Hoping you then picked up parrallel faster than the others to prove them wrong?
or i may just be talking Müll
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| dulcamara wrote: |
men who can't do snowplough (i.e. those who may have done some sport before and have bowed legs) are obviously mentally retarded foreigners who just weren't meant to ski.
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Ages ago I was trying to teach a beginner who had the most bow-legged stance I've ever seen. Said he was a brickie and he thought his legs had gradually been bowed out from endlessly carrying hods of bricks uop ladders. Whatever the cause he was biomechanically unable to ski on his inside edges. The amount of adjustment that he boots and bindings would have needed to get him to ride a flat ski would have been absurd, so I suggested he take up snowboarding. I saw him a few weeks later really enjoying learning to board.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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haha yup have suggested that one as well! actually bow legs suits boarding well!
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The amount of adjustment that he boots and bindings would have needed to get him to ride a flat ski would have been absurd, so I suggested he take up snowboarding. I saw him a few weeks later really enjoying learning to board.
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reminds me of a friend of mine, who sadly died a few weeks ago at the age of 83, who joined the Sea Scouts as a lad, in the east end of London. The exasperated old salt who had failed, after 6 weeks of effort, to teach him to tie a bowline, told him to "booger off and join the band". He became a competent bugler, but remained incapable, despite doing a lot of sailing, of tying a bowline.
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bow legs suits boarding well
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and help to hold the trousers up...
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| pam w wrote: |
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bow legs suits boarding well
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and help to hold the trousers up... |
Can't be as many bow legged snowboarders as I thought then.
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dulcamara wrote:
haha Lechbob, did you also learn in Austria?
How did you know Ronald taught me in Neiderau.
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because I have spent too long teaching beginners in Austria and know the drill... assuming ronald is in fact Austrian and I haven't just insulted your friend
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| flangesax wrote: |
rob@rar,
basically the Apline Basic Position is adopted for a fraction between linking the turns. This in effect is a very short traverse, weighted correctly for learning to carve and is the transitional position between turns.
Then the turns get sharper, quicker, tighter and faster and as if by magic the learner is rolling their weight and edges and extending and all that jazz... just like magic  !! |
Thanks for the explanation. I guess I do something along those lines, but only as a particular drill rather than a default movement, and with no emphasis on a particular body position.
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You know it makes sense.
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tranverse position can be broken down to "lean down the hill so that no matter how much you want to you can't put weight on your uphill ski and start another turn!" I guess the thinking is that people find it easier to shift their body around than to concentrate on certain joints
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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flangesax, ta, it's a little bit too much focused on particular body positions for me, but that's just a personal preference.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| assuming ronald is in fact Austrian and I haven't just insulted your friend |
He's Dutch and was very patient.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar, yep... the right ones
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Interesting discussion. I suspect rotational skills are lacking in my skiing but I am pretty good at traversing. Am hoping the Sweetspot trainer will help me get more centre balanced .
When I did a Phil Smith style course we were video'd only from the hips down - it was part of his philosophy to focus on what the feet and legs were doing, rather than anything higher up. Lots of different ways of getting there, I guess.
I have various grandchildren who will be learning for the first time, this coming Easter. They'll be instructed, but in between times, what do instructors think about those gadgets that hold their tips together? Worth using, or just get depended on? And how about the harness things? From observing people "getting it wrong" with kids, it seems the most important thing is to keep them on very easy slopes until their snowplough turning is pretty reliable.
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pam w, A harness with a handle is useful for picking them up & hoiking them onto chairlifts but skiing on leashes and having an adult brake for them is not generally thought to be a good way to learn speed control AFAIK.
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pam w, as a transition step you can put the edgy wedgy half on... just clip both sides to one ski tip... they still have the security of thinking you have not removed the helper... plus you can put it back on harder bits...
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what heidiky, says +1
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pam w: rotational skills are lacking from a lot of people's skiing, so having worked that out you're ahead of the game! Just make sure you're practising rotating your leg from the hip, rather than rotating the rest of you. I find the sweetspot trainer is surprisingly good for practicing this.
As to the the gadgets that hold tips together, I'd be reluctant. I suspect they're a tool to allow you to take children onto terrain that they wouldn't otherwise be comfortable on, or to ski for longer than they would otherwise be able to. Just stick to very easy terrain and they should be able to do it by themselves and will probably progress more quickly in the long run. They might be useful for a child who is just not getting it, and needs to feel the shape and effect of the snowplough to understand what they need to do, but beyond giving them that sensation and then taking them off again, I wouldn't use them myself.
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Teaching a wedge turn - small gliding wedge on gentle terrain , and then point the tips of the skis in the direction you want to turn, remembering to look where you want to go. Most adult beginners get some sort of turn straight away and then I refine it, with adding in weighting the inside of the outside ski and rotating the outside heel out. Works best on the same terrain you would use for a straight run, since then there is no worrying about going too fast.
Little kids I ask to follow me as I ski backward - depending on the child they may be as close to me as between my ski tips. As an exercise I might get them to raise the inside hand, or point with the inside hand where they want to go (or where I want them to go).
I do use an edgie-wedgie as a tool with very small kids who lack the fine motor skills to make and hold a wedge, but I try to teach them to turn to a stop as soon as possible, and I stress that it is only like using training wheels on a bike - we aim to ski without it as soon as their legs have learned what they are supposed to do. In a perfect world with perfect terrain I wouldn't need it (but then I'd also get paid much more and it would only snow at night in this perfect world).
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Ronald taught me in Neiderau.
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