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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There is some stuff here. Neil will be talking at the SSE Coaching Conference at the weekend.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rjs, tah, I cant make the conference as junior is moving into Uni, if you get any interesting links please post up. Mainly looking for info for youngsters that are still developing..
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skimottaret, I'm not going to the conference either, I just mentioned it to show who he is.
Info on age appropriate fitness stuff seems to be a closely guarded secret. We were required to produce training plans for what is now Alpine Coach 3 but were not taught how to do it. Maybe we (clubs) ought to be paying specialist fitness people to run regular sessions for us but it would be good if it were spelt out.
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| rjs wrote: |
| skimottaret, Info on age appropriate fitness stuff seems to be a closely guarded secret. We were required to produce training plans for what is now Alpine Coach 3 but were not taught how to do it. Maybe we (clubs) ought to be paying specialist fitness people to run regular sessions for us but it would be good if it were spelt out. |
Couldn't agree more.... some typical generic fitness plans for U12, U14 U16 etc would be a very good resource.
FYI the GB junior team had a training session at Hemel this past weekend and they drafted in a GB Judo coach for multi skill training off hill, the fitness levels seemed quite variable
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I think this is a really unknown area and one that in parts caused some disagreement with our old club; there seems very little evidenced publshed info on what is age appropriate. Its easy to find little vids and ideas for adults, but specific to developing kids? Our old club thought it was appropraite to train 10 yr olds 4 times a week, I didn't. They couldn't provide evidence that it was necessary (it is way more than any other club, way more than the successful ones). I suspect training for U14 has a lot more evidence around it. These are times of growth and development and I think there is a balance between over and under training.
A lot of clubs here will add a gymnastics session once a week for 8 weeks taught by gymnastics coaches in a major facility, then dryland seems to be a mixture of funish stuff like roller blading, ice skating, cycling, soccer games, other games like handball and then some core type and agility excercises.
I disagreed so much with the 4 times a week as its clearly not the only excercise my kid does. (and obviously we had to pay for the 4 times). Anyway for a variety of reasons moved and the new club only sees fit to do dryland twice a week and quite a few clubs here do dryland twice a week at U14 too. It seesm to be whats important for kids and developing bodies and to develop them into good strong atheletes is variety and strenght and conditioning through variety. But this is a carrot/stick thing; either they naturally do and want to do other stuff and so are involved in other sports OR they aren't naturally sporty in any way and so desparately need dryland to give them some basic level of fitness and help injury proof them. I suspect the kids who don't do anything else honestly won't end up the best racers; I think a lot can be gained from cross- sports. But I still think they should be doing some dryland at this age.
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i tend to find with mine its hard to stop them!! we are fortunate in that we have an enclosed 'green' in front of the house, and theyre always out playing football/cricket/ or just running around like mad idiots, so i dont feel the need to orchestrate the activities of an 8 and 10 year old!
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gryphea, wow 4 times a week does sound way way way too intense for U10's let alone U14's... sadly the UK clubs seem to be at the opposite end of the spectrum and dont get involved with fitness as much as they should do imv. The parents view the race training as gates time and fitness is something done in school or other sports. THe better ones do academy camps and fitness is part and parcel of those but too far along in the performance pathway as far as i am concerned. all the racers should be exposed to fitness training very early.
if you have any fitness planning that you could share from your new club I would be grateful
iskar keep em at it !!
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kitenski, fantastic ! the multi sport stuff is great, I am kinda looking for ski specific off hill fitness programmes for Under 18's to compliment their other sports
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret, personally I'd say get them into some kind of circuit training, it makes it alot more interesting, fun and also you can make it competitive. Off the top of my head, ski specific circuits could include:
1 min per station in teams of 2
person a runs laps
person b exercises on a station, swop after 1 lap, 30 secs, whatever
change station every minute
stations could easily include
plank
body weight squats
squat jumps
spider man pressups
lunges
legs straddle step, jump onto step, feet down, bum touch step and jump back up
Sprints using judo belts with team mate trying to hold them back
try and push each other one way, then the other
bear crawls
lateral jumps
sprints thru ladders
and so on!
I'm a massive circuits fan for all around strength, conditioning and core!
Cheers,
Greg
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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oh and when I coached u12 hockey I went old skool on them for some fitness and did
Piggy back races
wheel barrow races
star jumps
etc
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I thought this quote from the above summed it up a bit. it doesn't mean you shouldn't do dryland but does mean you shouldn't give up other sports in favour of doing dryland.
Recent research, also, has shown that the best way forward - to achieve the highest
performance as an adult - is to follow a multi-sports programme when young. Specialisation
need only be introduced at the age of 16-17. Unless you wish to reach your best performances
whilst still in your teens, you should resist any urgings to give up other sports in favour of ski
racing. Keep a rounded approach until at least after your GCSEs.
That was the beef I had with the 4 times a week dryland. Part of that philosophy is to make it so difficult to do other sports that you will then dedicate to skiing. But my feeling is that if you do dryalnd twice a week, we could then fit in once a week soccer and cross country running club at school and it makes it easier on the family and then you are more likely to stay in skiing (plus we have kids like iskar, always on the go, playing sports at lunchtime etc) and your kids are just as fit. Plus the schools here do sport every day anyway.
telford_mike, posted a good document but still think its aimed at older kids than u12.
At U12 its very important that they enjoy it rather than merely tolerate it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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telford_mike, thanks will have a look
gryphea, couldn't agree more
kitenski, your a hard man !
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So Day 1 dryland (not counting gymnastics)
They did a run, then they did what my son called dynamic warm up, but he explained it as squats and lunges and things, then they played handball (quite a popular game here). The instructors told me the first week would be gentle
The old club do some roller blading with sticks and poles (new this year)
The canadian ski team (men and women) have some fairly cool dryland vids on youtube, just search for them. The women seemed to have spent quite a while doing boxing, track cycling and diving
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skimottaret: if you're serious about this I'd find some friendly person who's qualified and see if you can chat to them. It wouldn't particularly need to be someone who specialises in ski fitness or even young people (although the latter would obviously be of benefit) as most qualifications would include some idea of what's appropriate at different ages. REPs (Register of Exercise Professionals) is a good place to start and you can search for people near you:
http://www.exerciseregister.org/
Maybe even take a fitness qualification yourself - I can see how that would work very well together with your ski instructor skills.
I should probably point out that my wife is a part-time fitness instructor, but I don't suggest the above out of self interest, just that her skill and experience makes me see how easy it would be to get things wrong.
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So second week of dryland training for new club
dynamic warm up which seems to include sqats, lunges and some plyometrics, running tight slalom in treed course
Then loads of jumping on and off park benches and picnic table. I didn't see any of this but I think it was parcouresque. Kids loved it
Then frisby team game - ie fairly fast
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Philbo, He is getting tall eh? that is the sort of stuff I was thinking about for an introductory session at Hemel... good idea to have a video rather than just a written explanation...
kieranm, thanks for the link , I'm too fat and old to think about any formal quals but I do find/hear a lot of conflicting fitness info especially with regards to kids so am interested to learn...
gryphea, all sounds great !
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skimottaret, When I did my CSCF Coaching badge last year, we were given a vast array of information and DVD on Ski Racers development.
If you go on the CSCF website, they have resourses to view.
Also the Aim 2 Win Manual can be purchased by non members by shopping online.
Maybe something on here could help... http://www.canskicoach.org/en/home
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spud, I did the same course a while back and the materials are great but not that focussed on fitness. Couldnt agree more that the CSCF site is excellent
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spud, What is in the Aim2Win Manual ? Does it go into detail on training volumes in each micro cycle ?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| anyone fancy a bulk buy on this stuff? |
I asked that a few weeks ago, I'm waiting for the delivery.
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Poster: A snowHead
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rjs, did you buy a copy of the fit2ski book?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimottaret, Cool...glad you found something that might help.
I have the Fit to Ski Book by Carl Petersen. It covers pretty much everything.Bartletts have it for £20.
Tbh...I forgot all about this book and it would pretty much cover everything you need and more.
Lots of detailed info on so much with good photos and diagrams. 260 pages of it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rjs, did you buy a copy of the fit2ski book? |
No, mostly DVDs.
I had a PDF of an Aim2Win document already but it was a poor scan and I couldn't read a lot of the text. I will try your link later.
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spud, thanks mate will give Sally a call 
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skimottaret, No worries... If i can think of anything else, i'll let you know.
Check out some of the Canadian Race Club sites...they sometimes have info on training.
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I found this, but don't think it says much. But it could be they have done more research that you could find.
http://www.sportmedab.ca/dryland-training-and-youth-alpine-ski-racers?id=932
A mum at the school works in this unit. Its really intresting. She tests and helps all the winsport atheletes and others from across canada come in to work with them.
Our club are going ona pre-season mountain bike this weekend. Training in the week was again a mix of plyometrics, jumping, leg strength and a speed obstacle course through a playgound.
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gryphea, from what you write here I think it is safe to say Canada will be miles ahead of British ski racers in the years to come....
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