 Poster: A snowHead
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Who has them? Recent post got me thinking I haven't had a shop grind in well over 10 years, since I was disatisfied with the amount they took off a snowboard. OK so I've lost the benefit of that "just like new" feeling but can't say I've ever thought "this experience would be significantly better if only I'd had a grind". Looking at most seasonnaire skis would seem to indicate that grinds are very low on the priority list. One of the industry "scams" for non-racers? Something that holiday skiers pay disproportionate attention to compared to those who ski every day?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've never knowingly had one done.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Only once, and that was for a pair of skis I was selling. Although there were no core shots they were quite beaten up so I thought a good service and a base grind would smarten them up a bit. Shop did a god job, putting a proper structure back in to the base.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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fatbob, I had one done last November, it was on a pair of race skis though. The bases had started to get uneven next to the edges, I guessed that this was caused by getting hot due to being on an edge all the time.
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fatbob, I thoiught you just bought a new pair when yours needed servicing 
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kitenski, That as well. BTW as the sport conrad deal fell through I estimate you've bought at least 3 pairs of skis more recently than me. 
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Lhasas, whatever you bought for BASI, Titans.....
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fatbob, I occaisonally put my (plastic) race skis over a belt sander to get rid of the railing from too much use on Dendix. I don't normally bother with snow skis... IIRC my Tua Bug Easys (tele ski) are 10 years old, and have never been ground !
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I'm a ski self-servicer and treat base grinding as a last resort. A few weeks ago I managed to core shot my 2 week old DPS Wailers  After a period of mourning I took them to the nearest shop for a 'consultation'. Shop said they could patch repair the base but also needed to base grind not only the damaged ski but also the undamaged one to match things up. I said: "They're only two weeks old and don't need a base grind, can't you just patch the damage and grind the repair locally to match the surrounding base?" Technician said no so I took them to another shop where they did what I wanted and made a good job of the repair.
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Before snowHeads I ground the bases on my skis every year before putting them away for summer.
Now I don't touch them; although I suspect my base angles may be a bit out!!
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I had mine ground in France. They did a reasonable job and patched up the gouges in the base too, but they left the base edge angles at 0 which completely ruined the feel - factory setting was -1
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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another vote for "rarely if ever"
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Poster: A snowHead
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spyderjon, so it could well have been a good thing that my local shop didn't feel the need to overdo things and turn them out looking like 'brand new bases'?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Megamum wrote: |
| spyderjon, so it could well have been a good thing that my local shop didn't feel the need to overdo things and turn them out looking like 'brand new bases'? |
Yes, definately. Although I'd be surprised if your skis needed grinding at all as you can't have done many weeks on them. Other than race skis I can't remember when I last had to do a pair that had less than 10 weeks of use & it's usually in to the teens.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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spyderjon, Ah, well - my ski tech insisted that it was worth doing them and he does the servicing I went along with it - it cost me a small fortune - I won't do it again in a hurry following this thread though 
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spyderjon, cheers, I couldn't believe how inflexible the 'tech' in that first shop was, couldn't reason with him at all, real 'computer says no' stuff. The alarm bells in my head were going ballistic and I was out of there pronto! Most shops seem to be on a mission to grind skis to death. 
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Kelskii wrote:
.....A few weeks ago I managed to core shot my 2 week old DPS Wailers After a period of mourning I took them to the nearest shop for a 'consultation'. Shop said they could patch repair the base but also needed to base grind not only the damaged ski but also the undamaged one to match things up. I said: "They're only two weeks old and don't need a base grind, can't you just patch the damage and grind the repair locally to match the surrounding base?" Technician said no....
I hear that all the time & it's total rubbish. A 'tech' at the Nottingham Decathlon store told me exactly the same a couple of months ago when I was doing a bit of 'mystery shopping' .
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Kelskii, could that be because they are looking to sell you a new pair so much the quicker?
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Megamum, It could be but may also be because many holiday skiers just want their skis to look 'new' again. So, shop policy becomes formed by this as most of the punters prefer it.
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I think some of it comes down to poor training and saving time. It's far easier to run a ski through a computer controlled base grinding machine and slap on a layer of hot wax than to properly prep a base by hand.
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I had one base grind on mine after 10 or so weeks of mainly off piste, they really were gauged to hell even after repairs. But I wouldn't bother unless my bases felt like a cheese grater. The base repair gun I bought (cheers spyderjon ) sorts out any deep gauges.
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Only when base bevels go off, concaved base @ edges or selling them.
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Never felt the need to get bases ground. As spyderjon says they are barely over 1 mm thick anyway, so any grinding will significantly shorten their life. I'd maybe consider it if the base side of the edges were shot, but then I'd probably buy a new pair of skis anyway at that point. Much prefer self-tuning to standard shop tuning too.
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You know it's bad when you take your skis into be tuned and the shop refuses them as they are 'too beat up and the top edge around the tip is missing'.
Oops..
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I put a bid card on mine saying "do not sharpen or bevel edges"... wouldn't trust many shops to do that properly.
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I'm never one to come bowling in to a 10 year old thread... but my spidey senses tell me it has more to do with the ROI on the uber expensive machine, than anything else. Most of us would probably do this to some extent, subconsciously.
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You know it makes sense.
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If it weren't for the need to get a fresh structure, I'm not sure why most of us would even need it. Sure, occasionally P-Tex will change during curing and develop concavity or convexity and you need to get it back to flat, but beyond that the only reason is to get fresh structure. I've started handling that myself, so haven't had a base grind done in over a decade. Most times they never did what I asked in regard to tuning anyway.
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