 Poster: A snowHead
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We've been offered around 100 seats on a flight that arrives in Italy at 10:25pm for the Half Term for next year.
After a little faffing around with baggage the passengers would arrive in resort would arrive in resort at around 1:30am
As the flight is a late arrival we can get it for around £100 less than normal.
If we pass this £100 saving on, would you think it would sell ?
Would you mind arriving at 1:30am (no meal waiting, collect hire gear the next morning, etc, etc) if you could save £100
Don't think I'll take it but thought I'd ask anyway
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've arrived at that sort of time on DIY trips in the past (exhausted, disorientated, starving hungry, dying for a pint etc) and it's bloody awful.
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What about £150 ? 
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Wayne, hmmm, last flight of the day on one of the busiest days. Only takes a few knock-on delays through the day (which is highly likely) and your 1:30am could turn into nightmare o'clock.
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Bode Swiller,
Yeah I know - that's why I don't think I'll take it.
Plus. As you know every single one of our clients is angelic at normal times but ......... 
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If it was exactly what I was looking for side by side with an identical holiday that got in earlier then maybe-JUST.
What time would the return flight home be?
I have a long way to travel just to get to the airport on the UK side so it tends to be a long tiring day regardless, have my own gear so no need to bear the rental queues in the morn, get to bed up for brekkie catch the first lift. Suspect people with familes may feel different?
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Wayne, FWIW I wouldn't do it - but then while I'm keen on a bargain I'm not as price sensitive as most. As I see it the problem would be that you wouldn't actually get to bed until about 2 or later. Then up again at 8 (ish) for your first day skiing. No thanks.
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And possibly with kids in tow? Definitely not for me.
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Does it get you a full extra day's skiing on the last day?
Way back in the day our scheduled arrival on our main transfer was around 21h30 (with a 1 hour bus transfer). Sometimes it went a bit awry but IIRC it meant a 17h30 departure on the last day, so a proper day extra. And it was very popular.
We did however have everyone in chalets so we could ensure that our girls had dinner (something that was easy to to control e.g. boeuf bourguignone) and drinks (even if they'd had to nap while waiting on the new arrivals). I wouldn't see a hotel being able to offer that.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| Does it get you a full extra day's skiing on the last day? |
No
I'll think I'll leave it. Can see way too many problems.
Think this would be one of thoese things that "seem" like a good idea when booking 6 months prior to departure. But on the day, it maybe wasn't such a brill idea.
Oh well, was just whizzing through the availability for next year on the trade flight sites.
There are LOTS of mostly empty planes around at the mo.
No worries, some school trip TO will take the seats - it works out at about the same as running a bus from the UK.
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Wayne, 100 seats booked that far in advance should mean they pay you to fly if you're getting £100 off - I never pay more that £86, often less to fly into Geneva, so I'm curious what the starting price is for your flight before the unhaggled discount? 
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| Jivebaby wrote: |
| I never pay more that £86, often less to fly into Geneva, |
Can you send me a link to a page that's giving these prices?
I need a few hundred seats for 16 to 23 Feb next year.
Not possible!!
But, like all TO's with the correct bits of paper on file, we've have been offered as many seats as we want for £85 return (plus taxes grrrrrr).
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The risks of taking % seats on stand alone charters are way too big of a risk (for me anyway).
Where do you think all these stupid offers that you see whizzing around come from? (yes I know SH's love late deals) - simple answer is that once you sign up for % seats then you'll pay for them whether you have bums-on-seats or not. Some TO's will do anything just to bring in enough cash to cover the charter costs.
Nope - I like to sleep at night.
You can always earn a few more £'s in this game if your understand how it works, but I prefer to make a little less (much less than some) but be able to guarantee I'll still be around for repeats for the following season.
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You know it makes sense.
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Wayne, yeah, more hassle than it's worth, especially as it'll be families with young kids. Far too much grief for everyone.
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I'd do it definitely - if you could give me a decent discount, and the flight didn't leave the UK until well into the evening, I could go to work during the day (or at weekends get a load of stuff done) and not waste a load of time arriving in resort at 2pm and spending all afternoon sitting around waiting for day 1. It would also avoid me getting up at 5am to get on an early morning flight, to then arrive at lunchtime, which I hate more than anything else in the world.
Let me know if you book it, and we'd sign up for that. Assume it would make a very cheap trip.
1:30am is nothing. At least the roads will be quiet, and I'll have got up at either normal time or slept in depending on the day.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The fact there is £100 off is irrelevant what matters is the price you are paying. Since the average price appears to be £150 once all the other bits are added such as luggage, privilage to pay etc It should be a good deal, but if they are offering you £100 off a £500 flight then it is not so good. It also matters where the flight is from and where it is to.
But all things considered arriving at the accommodation at 01:30 does sound too bad at all and much better than leaving home for a 6:30 flight to get to the resort at noon.
Now if you could arrange that for a Friday night I think we would bite your hands off.
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| johnE wrote: |
| But all things considered arriving at the accommodation at 01:30 does sound too bad at all and much better than leaving home for a 6:30 flight to get to the resort at noon. |
I disagree with this just about as much as I have ever disagreed with anything. Dawn flights and early arrivals are absolutely fantastic starts to a ski holiday. Go for lunch, get a feel for the place, sort out lift passes - all in daylight.
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| johnE wrote: |
| Since the average price appears to be £150 |
To Italy at Half Term, are you sure ?
Anyway we don't seel flight only tickets - this would be part of a half term package
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With a flight that might very well be delayed until the following morning, who picks up the cost of putting your punters in a hotel?
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I think I wouldn't mind too much really - especially for that sort of discount when skiing is so expensive anyway!
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Wayne,
For what it's worth my opinion is that you won't be able to sell it - I'd take the £100 hit and book a book an earlier flight allocation if it was me . . . .
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just adding my two penneth, I wouldn't look at that flight arriving at 0130 if things go well. they don't always go well.
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Wayne, Have you bought Ski Beat 
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Wayne, an absolute NO, for reasons every one else had said. 1.30 am arrival is best case scenario, it is likely to be a helluva lot worse than that.
£100- £150 discount is not that significant IMO when you look at the price overall (for that week).
I do think you'd sell them though, most people won't actually bother to look at the flight details until it's too late and then you will get a lot of grief as they complain when they realise even though it's their own fault as they hadn't really paid attention when booking!
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Hmm kids in tow and arriving that late, sounds like a recipe for at least a day or two of a holiday from hell to me!
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no way for me,it is a holiday after all........no stress if possible !
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You know it makes sense.
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my biggest concern would be the knock on from the whole days previous flights - chances are there would be a knock on delay which would push your travel to the next morning and thus you WILL miss your first days skiing
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| Dawn flights and early arrivals are absolutely fantastic starts to a ski holiday. |
Excellent troll. I nearly fell for it.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Absolutly no chance. Save £100 but MASSIVE chance of delays and then you need a lie in but have to sort kit hire etc the next morning, plus you loose the value of a meal and wine in the chalet for one night. Sounds like something a cheapo TO would do and send you the flight times after you have booked!
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Quite hard to get £100 off something that usually costs less than £100 in the first place...
£100 off what? and what about getting back? You have only mentioned the flight there.
Unless you give a bit more detail, and the actual price, how can anyone answer your question?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| johnE wrote: |
But all things considered arriving at the accommodation at 01:30 does sound too bad at all and much better than leaving home for a 6:30 flight to get to the resort at noon.
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Each to his own, of course, but I will always actively try to get that sort of flight.
I have my own equipment, and getting a few hours skiing in on arrival day makes a big difference to me. It means that by the time the first full day starts, I've got the basics back.
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I've arrived at that sort of time on DIY trips in the past (exhausted, disorientated, starving hungry, dying for a pint etc) and it's bloody awful.
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paulio, where did we all get the impression that your DIY trips, even at half term, run like clockwork as well as being cheap as chips?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| johnE wrote: |
| But all things considered arriving at the accommodation at 01:30 does sound too bad at all and much better than leaving home for a 6:30 flight to get to the resort at noon. |
I have to say that I agree with this just about as much as I've ever agreed with anything (sorry paulio  ). I cannot abide early flights, I'm personally not interested in even seeing a flight that departs before 10am, preferably noon... Just as well that not everyone has the same view on flight times, otherwise we'd all pay through the roof to get on the same flight and there would be loads of planes flying around empty... (Which is, as I understand it, company policy at Air France-KLM these days  ).
Personally, as someone who generally flies on my own (and never with children), it would be an ideal option for me. That said, if I had kids in tow I'm not sure that anything could induce me to take an option which would arrive in resort beyond midnight. However, my input is somewhat moot anyway, as I will only ever set a ski down in a ski resort during half-term if I'm being paid for the dis-privilege (yes, I know I just made that word up...)
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| pam w wrote: |
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I've arrived at that sort of time on DIY trips in the past (exhausted, disorientated, starving hungry, dying for a pint etc) and it's bloody awful.
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paulio, where did we all get the impression that your DIY trips, even at half term, run like clockwork as well as being cheap as chips? |
I have no idea what this question means.
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| TheGeneralist wrote: |
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| Dawn flights and early arrivals are absolutely fantastic starts to a ski holiday. |
Excellent troll. I nearly fell for it. |
I always pick flights before 9am if I possibly can. I fail to see what part of that indisputable fact is 'trolling'. I guess you don't really even understand the words that you're using, eh.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| johnE wrote: |
But all things considered arriving at the accommodation at 01:30 does sound too bad at all and much better than leaving home for a 6:30 flight to get to the resort at noon.
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Each to his own, of course, but I will always actively try to get that sort of flight.
I have my own equipment, and getting a few hours skiing in on arrival day makes a big difference to me. It means that by the time the first full day starts, I've got the basics back. |
Excellent troll. I nearly fell for it.
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trolling to me means something completely different!!!
Anyway, like skisimon, I usually travel on my own and also without kids, so late flight times wouldn't bother me at all.
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