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Tobogganing and Ski Holiday Insurance - Is there an issue?

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I thought i'd start another thread about insurance as rather than have this clutter a trip report.
alex_heney wrote:
Andybag wrote:
alex_heney wrote:
Minimum_1 wrote:
ed to do the toboggan run!!!


Make sure you check your insurance first.

A lot of winter sports policies don't cover tobogganing, so if you got hurt, you would have to pay for evacuation, and possibly for repatriation if you needed a special flight.
Some policies do cover it.

You are having a laugh aren't you? Just do it and enjoy it, that's all I'd do if I was tobogganing or sledging at home or abroad (although other people seem to have more health and safety concious views then myself)

No, I wasn't having a laugh.
At home, I'd have no problem doing it without insurance either, but abroad there is always the possibility of hurting yourself in a way that will be expensive to get you home.
You do need to check that it is covered, and I was just raising the issue because a lot of people might not realises that it is often excluded.

Smile


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I think it's one of those where you check your policy. The winter sports cover part of mine includes: on-piste skiing, snowboarding, mono-skiing and ski-bobbing, ice skating, curling, tobogganing, snowmobiling, cross-country skiing on locally recognised tracks plus off-piste skiing or snowboarding with a qualified guide or instructor.
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I believe it's true that toboganning has one of the higher injury rates - certainly the case in our immediate family. Only fracture so far was on a toboggan, in Alpbach. Serious surgery in Innsbruck followed.
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My understanding is that it depends entirely on how it is organised and if it involves copious amounts of alcohol before descending. Some of the toboggan trips that used to be organised in resorts as part of the entertainment packages offered by TOs were very wild and not too safe in my experience (I have the bruises and scars to show that wink ).

If, such as in Radstadt and some other resorts, you are using a specially dedicated and prepared toboggan run, you are covered. The only proviso being the same as when injured skiing, if your blood alcohol level is considered high enough to have inhibited your judgement, your insurer may decline to cover costs. If the medical centre treating your injury believes your were drunk or had been drinking, they usually run a blood alcohol test these days which will be part of your medical report.

I think there is an awful lot of scaremongering about this as well as misinformation/understanding about insurance policies. Far too many "anecdotal tales of dire consequences" muddying the waters and way too little facts. People should do as queen bodecia, her example from her insurance policy cleared her and we had fun. If in doubt, read your policy and don't do it if you think you'll be tipsy or drunk.


[edited to clear an ommison and for clarity]


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queen bodecia,
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it's one of those where you check your policy
Exactly
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Samerberg Sue, I think the kids might like it at Easter; might even give it a go myself (goes off to check all our insurances...). That and a trip to the Therme might be a way of entertaining them through the week.

Are you coming over at all that week (31st March)?
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holidayloverxx, I'll put it in diary and see how the work set-up is as well as the car situation. Still not got mine back yet although they think it will be fixed by the end of this week! rolling eyes
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Samerberg Sue, cool, and fingers crossed for the car
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Samerberg Sue wrote:
My understanding is that it depends entirely on how it is organised and if it involves copious amounts of alcohol before descending. Some of the toboggan trips that used to be organised in resorts as part of the entertainment packages offered by TOs were very wild and not too safe in my experience (I have the bruises and scars to show that wink ).


Yes, on one of my first ski trips with a TO ( I think it was to St Johann in Tirol) they advertised a tobogganing evening on an "Illuminated" toboggan run. It turned out their "illumination" was what was probably a 40W bulb every few hundred metres (half of which weren't working anyway)! Shocked Quite disconcerting when you're hurtling down in the near dark and you say to yourself "I think there's a bend coming up from the sounds ahead (shouts of panic/pandemonium)Toofy Grin, but it's so dark I can't see anything"! Skullie
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queen bodecia wrote:
I think it's one of those where you check your policy.


Absolutely, and taht is all I was saying in the other thread.

The policy I used this year and my last trip (Direct Travel) covered it. The one I used a couple of trips before didn't, and when I was looking for alternative quotes, there were a couple of others didn't (and I only looked at 3-4).
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Samerberg Sue wrote:
My understanding is that it depends entirely on how it is organised and if it involves copious amounts of alcohol before descending. Some of the toboggan trips that used to be organised in resorts as part of the entertainment packages offered by TOs were very wild and not too safe in my experience (I have the bruises and scars to show that wink ).


That certainly affects how risky it is, but the insurance policies don't go into that much detail. They just simply either exclude tobogganing, or they include it. Whichever way, it is usually explicitly mentioned.
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Alastair Pink wrote:
Samerberg Sue wrote:
My understanding is that it depends entirely on how it is organised and if it involves copious amounts of alcohol before descending. Some of the toboggan trips that used to be organised in resorts as part of the entertainment packages offered by TOs were very wild and not too safe in my experience (I have the bruises and scars to show that wink ).


Yes, on one of my first ski trips with a TO ( I think it was to St Johann in Tirol) they advertised a tobogganing evening on an "Illuminated" toboggan run. It turned out their "illumination" was what was probably a 40W bulb every few hundred metres (half of which weren't working anyway)! Shocked Quite disconcerting when you're hurtling down in the near dark and you say to yourself "I think there's a bend coming up from the sounds ahead (shouts of panic/pandemonium)Toofy Grin, but it's so dark I can't see anything"! Skullie


Yes, the one in Schladming when I tried it (about 10 years ago) was very much like that. A not particularly bright "floodlight" on most (but not all) of the bends, with nothing in between. And we had all had at least one gluhwein at the top before starting down, as well as drinks with dinner in teh hotel before going out.
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That certainly affects how risky it is, but the insurance policies don't go into that much detail. They just simply either exclude tobogganing, or they include it. Whichever way, it is usually explicitly mentioned.

I guess even if a specific activity is "covered" in an insurance policy that doesn't preclude the company's arguing that an injured party failed to take reasonable steps to protect themselves. Getting completely smashed then hurtling down a hill in the dark might be regarded as demonstrating such failure. wink
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