 Poster: A snowHead
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I can't ski before 1030. I'm reasonably fit and like to think that I'm not too bad a skier, but every day it takes me until 1030 before I'm skiing well.
This is obviously a distressing affliction. On powder days, I have to watch all the best lines being skied out before my legs have reached their peak operating condition. If I try any decent skiing like powder, bumps or steeps before the magic hour is reached, I fall over, my quads quite literally catch fire and my feet weep icy tears of cramp. Then, suddenly, the clock strikes 1030 and I'm a changed man with the whole mountain as my playground.
Does anyone else have this strange disease. And is there any hope of a cure?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Start drinking earlier?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Do you have a gluhwein at 10.30? Seems to coincide with my skiing improving
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Put your watch forward by 1.50 hours and see what happens
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'd guess that it is because you aren't doing any warm-ups before hand.... so your warm up time ends up being your first few runs pre 10:30....
give that a go first!
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I can relate. It usually takes me an hour or so before I'm warmed up and as such often have to avoid more challenging skiing early in the mornings.
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Jonny Jones, avoid ski-in ski-out accommodation, or anything close to the slopes. Make sure you have a good kilometre or two of walking to do (whilst wearing ski boots and carrying skis etc) before you get to the slopes. That should warm you up nicely. Additionally the extra exercise will be good for your overall fitness. Also, do what stewart woodward recommends.
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Adrian, agreed. After a good walk in ski boots, carrying kit, with even a slight incline and after getting kids out of bed etc, it can be quite enjoyable to pull the bar down and feel cold air on your face 
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Nope. Nuff said.
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Definitely avoid ski-in-ski-out accommodation. I really welcome the walk/journey to the first lift in the morning. It gives me a chance to digest my breakfast and sharpen my senses for the day ahead. However, I don't start the day in my ski boots, I'm a firm fan of the lift base station storage facilities! 
I find my best couple of hours on the slopes each day are those after the morning drink stop. I seem to be full of energy by then. After lunch I can definitely feel myself tiring. But this really isn't an issue for me, skiing is a holiday, I want to enjoy myself and soak up everything being in the mountains has to offer. My 'performance' is not an issue, I'm not competing. If I ski a run badly either first or last thing in the day, so what?
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Jonny Jones, I agree with the 10.30 thing, I always take 1/2 an hour or so to get re-dialled in first thing, mine is about 10am and then I do my best skiing between then and 1-2pm. I think it's just a natural muscles warming up thing, I now try to do a better warm up and get on it sooner, and it does work. Also a sauna/ steam between après and dinner relaxes the legs and really does the trick for the following morning.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Protein deficiency.
Change your diet.
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Jonny Jones, Are you taking any medication that is slow release?
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You know it makes sense.
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I agree on warm-up (and on stretching after getting back from skiing the previous day) but a two kilometre hike in ski boots would not be my warm-up of choice! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I guess that it's a warm-up thing, as most people have suggested. But 90 minutes feels like a long time to warm up.
What pre-ski warm-up exercises are recommended?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Jonny Jones, Perhaps it's your brain that needs the warm up, not being funny, try Red Bull or two shots of espresso before skiing, it is sometimes perception which needs changing as Joubert says go and race the mountain
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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A coffee and a bowl of porridge in the morning.
Walk to the lift
should stretch but rarely find time (no one else in my group bothers)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My son walked me through his on snow warm up he does with his club yesterday. He does a dynamic warm up , then puts on ski boots, then at teh top of the first lift he does a few in boot off ski excercises. Then he does two runs as a warm up. From what he showed me he does a warm up whilst skiing that warms up ankles, knees and hips. he works through a progressive set of targeted drills
Then he does his normal skiing
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Coffee = Fag if you so wish = half a mars bar et VOILA!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Nadenoodlee wrote: |
| half a mars bar |
wtf? thats just unpossible
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to quote wiki " The oldest and most accurately documented evidence of skiing origins is found in modern day Norway and Sweden. The earliest primitive carvings circa 5000 B.C. depict a skier with one pole, located in Rødøy in the Nordland region of Norway." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiing
So I guess the answer is YES you could ski for 1030, if you had a time machine and didn't dial in a date too far back.
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Not had this problem. Perhaps the first 10 minutes I'm skiing very slightly less well.
Perhaps I'm not old enough - I'll see what happens in a few years.
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Seriously?
Warm up with dynamic exercises. It's all muscular after all. Sounds like you're overdoing it and/or getting dehydrated. Why not prepare for powder the day before?
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When inflicted with 0930 lessons, I used to find a swift run from the highest achievable point, followed by a cheeky vin chaud always worked (it's all about the relaxation, doncha know..?)
However, I find that having nothing solid at breakfast works wonders for a.m. skiing - odd, but true.
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I find life in general hard before 10:30. Don't think I'm on my own there either.
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So, what are we saying here? That the phaff of getting your gear on, stamping into the boots, lugging your skis, and (if you have one) camelbak 100m to a piste (if you're lucky) and then skiing a half km to the lift for 9-9.15 isn't sufficient to warm you up? I'm usually ready for my first hot choc and rum stop by then... 
In all seriousness (almost), usually half a run is ample to remind those poor memory muscle groups I depend on to shape up and get ready for action.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Take small children skiing with you, you'll have been up since 5am and getting them all kitted up and off to ski school will warm you up.
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| Legend. wrote: |
| I find life in general hard before 10:30. Don't think I'm on my own there either. |
+1
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You know it makes sense.
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Legend., bobmcstuff, + another one
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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At 46 years of age, I'm nicely warmed up by 3 or 4 pm !! Too much to eat at lunch is the real killer.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| parlor wrote: |
| Start drinking earlier? |
+1
or continue drinking through so you are suitably lubricated
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Compression leggings and top (Skins.net) and keeping my legs really warm all the time works wonders for me. I used to ache a lot at the start and end of each day. At 41 I now find that I need to do much less stretching than when I was younger.
Seriously, those compression leggings do seem to work but I cannot wear them as a base layer or they make me feel cold for some weird reason. So they go over cheap M&S merino leggings that are rolled up around my knees.
Do you eat well enough at breakfast? I like protein, fat, carbs, coffee & nicotine for breakfast.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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MTFU
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I hit my best quite early normally - usually after about the first half a run once as I loosen up - if it's later in the week and I'm stiff in the morning  then it perhaps takes me perhaps a full run or so to properly loosen up.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Walter-Spitty wrote: |
| Do you eat well enough at breakfast? |
Oh, yes! Breakfast is one time that I never skimp - a typical skiing breakfast last week was a huge mound of scrambled egg, sausages and hash browns, oatmeal, pastry, fruit, orange juice and coffee.
I ski pretty hard. I always catch the first lift and I ski until the hill closes. I probably spend no more than 10% of my time on groomed runs, with the rest being bumps, steeps, powder and glades. That's a fairly tough ask from my middle-aged legs, so my problems are probably partly a function of tiredness.
I can ski well on piste within 5 minutes of getting started; it's the more energetic stuff that I have problems with. The infuritating thing is that other people seem to fly down the powder runs as soon as the lifts open, and I want to be able to do the same.
Perhaps I'm just too old 
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I'm getting too old too, my problem is more on a proper powder day my legs and muscles and totally spent by lunch time.
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stretch it out and warm up properly and you'll be running fresh lines from the first lift no problem.
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Jonny Jones, that sounds like a proper breakfast to me!
Like Gazza wrote, maybe do less big bump skiing. Big bumps give my knees and the surrounding muscles a hard time these days, despite the fact the physiotherapist tells me there's nothing wrong with my knees apart from a "normal" build up of scar tissue and a lack of muscle bulk.
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Agree with a warm up. Works wonders.
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