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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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HORT1,
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once the midlayer got wet it went downhill from there.
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Can I ask why your current mid layer is getting wet?
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HORT1,
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once the midlayer got wet it went downhill from there.
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Can I ask why your current mid layer is getting wet? |
It's from wicking the sweat from the baselayer but I find the wool takes far too long to dry. Unfortunately I can't find it for sale anymore to be able to show a photo of it and with that said not sure if it makes a difference but I'm not sure it's even merino.
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HORT1,
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It's from wicking the sweat from the baselayer but I find the wool takes far too long to dry
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if your base layer is synthetic and not Merino, then I would guess its your base layer that is the problem. I have used a thin merino base layer and only slighlty thicker merino mid layer and have never had a problem.
Also it could be that the Sidewinder jacket is not breathable enough for the varied enviroment you are in.
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Just about any light to midweight synthetic fleece? Am I missing something - how can it be much more complex than that unless you're some sort of extremo ski mountaineer.
maybe a down/synthetic fill pullover if its really cold?
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HORT1, in -20 in Europe I've worn the same jacket with 2 x thin long sleeve merino base layers and one thin Northface 100 weight fleece and was fine.
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i gave up on merino because it would get soggy like you say and, although it kept its thermal properties, it got heavy and smelled like wet sheep.
I like patagonia R stuff. I have a couple of R1 fleeces and wear both over a thin synthetic base layer if it is very cold, one if it is quite cold and none if it isn't cold at all. the R1 hoody is an awesome bit of kit because the hood is amost like a balaclava if you zip it all the way. you look a bit of a dork with it on under your helmet but it keeps you toasty when you need it
R2 and R3 will be a good bit warmer but if you feel the cold they may be the answer
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fatbob, kitenski, Arno, Spud9,
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Am I missing something
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Same comment from me really, I usually find if you mix synthetic and merino you get a problem. I Have stuck with only two layers and been fine down below -20 for warmth and then ok at plus 15 on a nice sunny afternoon cruise, OK I am using Ortovox 185 and a 280 which is a pretty expensive way of doing it but it does work being all merino and the Ortovox stuff is pretty difficult to get wet, even in the rain 
I am not an expert on HORT1, s outer layer but the Sidewinder is a pretty heavy 3 layer Gortex outer, I am guessing that its breathability is not that great, whereas the waterproofness is very good. I hope I am corrected on this jacket, tried to find the specs online but with no joy.
I of course will not mind to be corrected on this 
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If you're getting wet you must be sweating a lot which would hint that you're wearing too much.
Less clothing, less sweat, drier top! Easy..........
Merino is all well and good but not that warm for it's weight and a pain when it gets wet. I wear it piste skiing and other lower aerobic activity style pursuits, summer rock climbing etc, as it's nice against the skin and doesn't smell half as bad as some fabrics but as I run quite hot, I tend to wear synthetic tops for touring/walking in to climb in Scotland etc.
As Arno says, the Patagonia R1 Hoody is the daddy of all winter tops. I wear it whatever I'm doing in the winter. I always look fly in it:
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I've got a Sidewinder too and wear two thin merino base layers comprising a 150 wt Icebreaker T-shirt with a Smartwool 150wt zip crew on top. I hate getting too hot whilst skiiing so if I get too warm I just open the pit vents and if I get hot I just take off the crew. I find that I can wear less provided I keep my core warm with the wool T. I haven't experieced the "wet wool" thing except when I've tried heavier weight Icebreakers like the 260 and 320 wts. The Sidewinder seems pretty breathable to me provided you match the layers to the conditions and can adapt when things change.
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I wear very thin merino wool next to the skin - prefer T-shirts as merino wool arms tend to get saggy after a while. This produces a lot less stink than manmade fibres but doesn't hold too much water. Had problems in the past with a wind proof fleece under a shell as wind proof fleeces tend to be less breathable. When touring I prefer a thin windproof outerlayer than a full on waterproof (aka high tech plastic bag) unless conditions are extreme (raining, high winds etc). The SV is a storm jacket, great in extreme conditions but probably overkill for normal conditions.
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You know it makes sense.
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I had a sidewinder, but gave it to my brother when i got a Sabre. I know the Sabre has a bit of insulation on it, but I don't think it adds up to much. Last season I typically used a phase AR base layer and if I needed more insulation an Atom LT or SV. Whilst the hooded Atoms would be no good for the Sidewinder the standard ones should be fine. My wife has a similar (no hood) Patagonia Primaloft mid layer which she loves. Check them out, they pack to nothing and, let vapour through well and keep you warm when they are wet.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Just an update to this I ended up getting a few baselayers from Patagonia (the highest level of capilene maybe 4?) including the Patagonia R1. This was in addition to having a polartec material arcteryx jacket (atom lt) at hand (rarely used) and then using my sidewinder sv as a shell. I used this combination in Whistler and Fernie including during the early cold weather spells they had come January which included at temperatures of -15 to 25 and had no issues at all. Infact I rarely used the polartec midlayer and effectively skiied almost all days in three layers (base layer, R1 and shell).
The Patagonia clothing I had itself was well worth its money with the wicking abilities of it working together being magnificient. I was never ever sweatty.
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That kit may be the gnat's knees in Canada! In Europeland all you'll need are a pair of Damart long-johns and gran's chemise!
Looks like you've been swayed by the price-tags and pretty logos on beautiful things such as ArcTeryx, great quality, yeah.............. but a little more form than function despite what the "blurb" says.
One does not always get what one pays for.
looks good, but for $599 there's much better kit to be found.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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^^ Looks like it's been dropped in a sick dog's diarrhoea...
FWIW, for years I just used normal tshirts and stuff under my shell, but this season treated myself to one of these: http://www.norrona.com/Products/0466-10/narvik-warm3-zip-hood-m (for a lot less than that price, I should add). Have to say it really is excellent, and worth the extra money for the use I get out of it (everyday warm jacket as well as skiing and kayaking). Very nearly as warm as my down jacket, and dries really quickly.
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very rarely wear a mid layer but is was -20 and below on my last trip... a merino wool jumper from tesco did the trick for me 
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| theskibob wrote: |
| looks good, but for $599 there's much better kit to be found. |
only mugs pay full retail 
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I like stuff made with Malden Mills' PowerStretch:
http://polartec.com/comfort/polartec-power-stretch/
It doesn't say in the blurb but be aware that there are different weights.
It's stretchy so doesn't restrict movement, is very warm, breathes well and dries out very quickly. It's a bit bulky for touring but, other than that, perfect!
Throw on a windshirt made of Pertex and you've an ideal combination. Much better than GoreTex Windstopper that doesn't stretch, breathes badly and stays wet and cold.
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Arno my point exactly.
bragging and blagging about expensive kit, but not having a clue how to use the gear. Seems rather like self-stimulation using your non-dominant hand. 
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theskibob, hadn't realised that midlayers were complicated to use. is there an instruction manual somewhere? 
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FAQ
) such as the medium to heavy baselayers by Patagonia (capilene 3, maybe?) or Marmot (I use the long sleeve midweight zip top). Microfleeces are light, warm, highly breathable, quick drying and sufficiently cheap as to be almost expendable. For colder weather I've got things like a Rab Boulder (high loft fleece, again quick drying and highly breathable). The boulder uses the same material as the Patagonia R3 high loft, but at quite a few pennies cheaper. Similarly, the Berghause Smoulder (which I have) or the Rab Baseline (which I don't) make good alternatives to the Patagonia R1... but if you're getting top end Arcteryx shells maybe price isn't your main concern here 
