 Poster: A snowHead
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So, I did the math and decided that buying the gear for waxing will pay for itself after two waxes for the entire family. But I do have a question regarding the brushing. Basically, I was sold two brushes, a brass brush and coarse nylon brush. The guy told me to first use the the coarse nylon and then finish up with the brass brush, which is noticably softer. However, the collected wisdom of them thar interwebs seems to be to first use the brass brush and polish with a fine nylon brush.
So did the guy in the store know what he was saying and am I fine using the brushes I bought? Any advice are greatly appreciated
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Almost certainly a degree of detail that doesn't matter unless you're a competitive racer.
I always thought the point of coarse brass brush was to add a bit of structure then a softer brush to get rid of excess.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Thu 19-01-12 15:53; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fatbob,
That's what I've been reading more or less, but usually the brass seems to be for structure and the (soft) nylon for polishing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I use a brass brush after scraping and then a nylon brush if I'm going to be racing, If I'm not racing I just use the brass brush.
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SkiingDad, suggest you have a look at jons Kim tuning website which has a good guide to all this - he advises brass brush before and after waxing and nylon to polish IIRC
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Sorry that should of course read jons ski tuning!
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what fatbob, said!
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lib-banana, thanks, but Jon's page is actually the "collected wisdom" I was referring to. ...which is why I'm questioning the wisdom of the guy who sold me the brushes in the first place. I'm prepared to go along with "it doesn't matter", but OTOH I could still swap before I've used them.
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Is now a good time to mention horsehair brushes ?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I think it does matter and I think the guy who sold you the brushes was wrong.
The brass brush is for opening up the bases and for first pass after scraping the wax off. Logically it's coarser. The nylon brush if for polishing off. Jons's page also throws inteh horsehair in between the two after scraping. He says 3 passes each. Because I only have a nylon one I have to work it a lot harder. But it gets the job done and I quite enjoy it! Besides those brass brushes aren't cheap.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Nylon brushes will leave a static charge on the ski, and should never be used last, horsehair will remove this. This is the gospel according to Anja Person's ski tech who gave a demo once!
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| Almost certainly a degree of detail that doesn't matter unless you're a competitive racer. |
Unless ski static attracts avalanches??? 
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You know it makes sense.
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SkiingDad, I've had an instruction session with spyderjon and following this bought only the brass brush as this does the majority of the work, and after I suspect that a few runs on the piste will probably do a similar job to the nylon brush (other than adding a static charge, naturally.  )
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Is this the right time to admit that I've got a combined BBQ metal scraper/brillo pad/wire brush that satisfies most of my ski tuning needs?
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Poster: A snowHead
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fatbob, I believe that is what is known as "Coming Out". 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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my brush is part nylon part brass.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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and I nearly posted "my bush is..."
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| papasmurf wrote: |
| and I nearly posted "my bush is..." |
waxed?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well, the brass brush really isn't coarse. It's fairly fine and soft, so I don't mind finishing off with that. Just begs the question what I need the coarse and hard nylon brush for...
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Most people read far too much into this,and go all techy A 'lot' of the ski prep stuff is written for skiing at a much higher level,and is simply not required for recreational skiing.
I started this journey around the same time as Jon,only he is a lot more geeky than me,but a bloody nice bloke His guide is simple,comprehensive and perfectly suited to the majority of skiers.However,and I'm sure he would agree,you can modify the steps to suit.
I concentrate on the areas I feel are important.
1.Good edge prep.Don't go mental,and file away valuable metal!Use the correct files inc diamond.Slight nicks will have little influence.I never detune tips and tails.
2.Base prep.All bases get scratched,don't worry.A gouge has to be pretty large before it can be filled successfully.I do a pre season hot wax & scape for dirt.Never use solvents to clean.
3.Waxing.Use a good quality at the correct temperature.Allow to cool overnight.New skis need 2 to 3 cycles at least.I always pre warm prior to waxing.
4.Brushes.Brass comes in a number of grades depending on use(pre wax structure/post wax polish)Nylon,post wax.Also various sub stages between waxes,horsehair etc.This takes us into the realm of performance prep.I tend to skip a lot of this...and use a hard nylon pre wax,and a softer nylon post wax.Never had any complaints
As this is a wax thread,Jon is bound to pop in shortly...though he might be busy prepping or,indeed,actually skiing.He does a lot of both 
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Nylon brushes can be found for a pound in the cheap shops, I got a stiff one (ooo errr missus) and a very soft one. Left more money for decent diamond files 
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...in conclusion it seems that I'm probably OK with my setup. I was told the nylon brush was for brushing off excess wax, so I can finish nicely with the brass.
Thanks to all for your pointers.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I like horsehair.
Gives me "horse power". Chortle.
But seriously, Holmenkol horsehair.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Has anybody used roto brushes and can comment on them and what brushes to start with
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Nylon brush to set the stage, and horsehair brush for the closing act. If no one is looking, a bit of caressing afterwards.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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With the rotorbrush, I was told to start from tip to tail.
What about the direction of rotation of the brush - ie should the brush be spinning in such a way that the bottom is spinning towards the tail or tip as the brush is moving from tip to tail?
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Poster: A snowHead
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With the rotorbrush, I was told to start from tip to tail
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Best quote I have ever heard on the above is "If you are good enough to know the diffrence between tip to tail and tail to tip someone else shuold be servicing your skis " 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Fattes13, Thinking that should read...." If you're not good enough" ....
Crusader, If you look at the vid thats been posted,its pretty clear I think? Tip to tail,with brush rotating upwards(away from the ski surface).
Played with one at a ski show once.Indeed,a nice piece of kit,which made brushing out a piece of cake...very consistant as well.However,for me,unless you are doing lots of skis its hard to justify the cost?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My husband bought a tube of universal wax here in Corvara and he put it on our skis this morning and polished with an old sock. The skis seemed fine.
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With rotobrushes the brush must rotate as though you were manually brushing the ski from tip to tail. Most roto users go from tip to tail but the super anal go from tail to tip (brush is still rotating from tip to tail) so that they're not brushing in the 'exhaust'.
I've tried pretty much all the makes on the market & found the Kunzmann roto brushes to give the best combo of price v durability v wide range of brush types: http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,20/Itemid,1/
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I bought way too many brushes when i built up my waxing kit. I have two grades of brass, a nylon and two types of horsehair. I used them all once (the first time). Since then, the only one I use is the firm brass one. I really really can't see what difference all the other ones made. The most time saving tool in my waxing kit is a metal pan scourer which saves a load of time because it means you can do a much less detailed scraping exercise.
The other bit of specialised kit i use is a felt block to polish at the end. This probably makes no difference. But probably it does make some difference. You should use one, or not, whichever you prefer.
One excellent bit of wax beta is to buy some cold rub on wax (not spray on stuff) which comes in like a rub on deodorant stick. It makes a big difference on day three of a week's trip.
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spyderjon, Do you get a better job using roto brushes or is it just quicker 
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Having just finished waxing the family's skis, I can say that I'm quite happy with the fine brass brush. The nylon brush, however, didn't really do much.
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Glen Charman, both, but a roto brush is only worth it if you either have loads of skis in the family or your racing - unless you're one of those guys who just likes owning kit. Remember, he who dies with the most kit wins! 
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if you need brushing after waxing, go back get them to do it properly.
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