 Poster: A snowHead
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I love this video. Ted the Shred with a backpack-mounted helmet cam. For those who have never skied in slalom gates it gives a feel for just how quickly everything happens, and how violent the whole process is. Also look at how stable his shoulders are compared to how much his skis are turning - brilliant separation.
http://vimeo.com/31862220
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Would be nice to see alongside regular footage of the same runs. Would be nice to know how much is happening automatically/by feel with the feet as his head/vision doesn't seem to drop at all.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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wow hadn't realised how they really do "bat" the poles away.....
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| kitenski wrote: |
| wow hadn't realised how they really do "bat" the poles away..... |
Yes, that's what shocked me first time I skied slalom. You are travelling so fast (although obviously nowhere near as fast as Ligety!) that you come on to the gates within the blink of an eye, and while they are spring-loaded they certainly don't fold out of your way automatically. They really do need a powerful block with your arms so they don't impeded your progress.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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kitenski,
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wow hadn't realised how they really do "bat" the poles away.....
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Call me Mr Picky - but I don't see him 'batting' the gates away. I do see him using his stick as a guard or block - but his is not hitting them out of the way.
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Mr Picky is right. It's a block not a punch. He never fully extends his arms, just allows the gate to come on to them and blocks them away.
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In the sequence of gates that come upon him quite quickly it does appear to me that there is a forward motion in his arm, so more of a block, but in some cases he is pushing away from his body with his arm....
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kitenski, trouble with hitting the poles away as opposed to blocking them at lesser than god like speeds is the pole has time to hit the deck, bounce back and whack you in the thigh/backside before you have gone passed it, ouch!
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Fabulous camera angle to show his core strength and upper body stability. It is pretty to watch 
A new set of Slalom race skis has just gone up a notch on the wanted list!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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These videos are making me HOT.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Fri 6-01-12 11:31; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Notice the inside tip lead through each turn.
Hi my old snowheads friends, been a while since I've stopped by. Hope you're all having a good season on the snow. I've organized a big get together at Breckenridge in a few weeks. If any of you are in the neighborhood, stop in.
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BTW, spot on with the blocking vs hitting observation. If you're significantly reaching to clear the gate, you're rotating. A no-no.
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You know it makes sense.
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| FastMan wrote: |
| Notice the inside tip lead through each turn. |
Yep, something I've been trying to work on since my last session with Rob. Sometimes during transitions I a-frame slightly, if my tracks are clearly defined it is possible to pick out exactly where some of the transitions took place. Been doing a lot of inside leg work, so hopefully there has been some improvement.
The problem with me actively thinking about the inside leg leading, is that it causes me to put weight on it on ccassion!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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c0Ka|Ne,
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The problem with me actively thinking about the inside leg leading, is that it causes me to put weight on it on ccassion!
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Dont actively think about it !! Inner tip lead and counter for you should not be an active move and "trying" to do this will just cause you to scissor and sit on the inside leg... Remember what we worked on, stand taller with less knee flex and let the skis go further from the body, let the hip drop in and dominate the outside leg. This will increase your edge angles and counter will naturally develop. remember the J turns we did and the power that you developed ? that is what you should be trying to feel
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Poster: A snowHead
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Drill Drill Drill.. Got it. See you on Sunday 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| c0Ka|Ne wrote: |
| FastMan wrote: |
| Notice the inside tip lead through each turn. |
Yep, something I've been trying to work on since my last session with Rob. Sometimes during transitions I a-frame slightly, if my tracks are clearly defined it is possible to pick out exactly where some of the transitions took place. Been doing a lot of inside leg work, so hopefully there has been some improvement.
The problem with me actively thinking about the inside leg leading, is that it causes me to put weight on it on ccassion! |
Your Coach is right, inside tip lead should simply be an outcome, not a focus. It's an outcome of counter and the shortening of the inside leg that comes from edge angle development. Counter is created at the pelvis, that's where the focus should be, not the skis. The inside ski will lead, because it bio-mechanically has to if you counter and tip. For arc to arc turns, or even cleanly initiated steered turns, the counter of the old turn needs to be quickly eliminated during the transition, and the small amount of counter needed for the start new turn established. It's done by driving the new inside hip (downhill hip) forward and down the hill during the transition. I call the move the "Pelvic Shift". A good way to imagine the move is to envision yourself standing at the center of a clock face, facing 12 o'clock. If you're transitioning into a right turn you drive your right hip towards 1:30, and if transitioning into a left turn you drive your left hip towards 10:30. Viola, you'll instantly be forward and in a solid position to begin the new turn.
That early counter created by the Pelvic Shift helps roll the skis on edge and puts you in a position to easily angulate so you can stay outside ski balanced as your body projects down the hill and you tip onto edge. The amount of required counter at the beginning of the turn is small, then grows in harmony with the increase in edge angle as you proceed through the turn.
Along with doing the Pelvic Shift during the transition, tip your downhill knee (new inside knee) down the hill and into the new turn as your body crosses over your skis. It eliminates the inside leg's tendency to block the smooth flow of the Center of Mass across the ski, and actually serves to help the process along by pulling the Center of Mass into the new turn. It also ensures both skis get tipped on edge to similar edge angles so the ski work together in helping you begin the new turn.
Finally, as you're Pelvic Shifting, and inside knee tipping, strive to keep your shoulders level as you tip into the new turn. That's the angulation that will allow you to stay outside ski balanced as you tip, keeping you from falling onto your inside ski.
Do all that and your inside tip will be leading through your turns, just like Ted's was. You don't have to think about the inside ski at all, and shouldn't. Focus instead on the things I've mentioned above.
Good Turns,
Rick
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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FastMan, "right hip towards 1.30" wow!
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FastMan, good to see you back !!
As always very clear and well described. The only thing i dont quite get from your explanation is that in my mind i see the pelvic shift move happening at the start of a new turn during and using what you would term ILE.
At the end of a turn our hips are not square but at its most countered, with inner tip lead as a natural consequence and it is a little confusing (to me at least) to use the 12 oclock imagery. Are you saying 12 oclock in the fall line or at the end of one turn and before the start of a new turn?
I would tend to say to a client that at the end of a turn we are at our most countered and as we extend the old inside leg and roll onto the big toe edge we want to get the hips square to the skies and moving down the hill.
Are we saying the same thing ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Are you saying 12 oclock in the fall line or at the end of one turn and before the start of a new turn? |
12 O'Clock along the line of momentum, surely?
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Pedantica, sorry, Tech Alert!
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rob@rar, be my guest
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FastMan, hello there, good to see you. Will think about pelvic shift when out tomorrow.....
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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skimottaret, yes, you may indeed take it as a compliment. Bye for now. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Pedantica, 
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Hi rob@rar, Skimottaret, and Pam. Thanks for the greetings. Hope you're having a good season. Snows a bit thin here so far, but not giving up hope for a turn around.
To clear up, the 12 o'clock reference is the direction the skis are pointing during the transition between turns.
The Pelvic Shift works well with ILE, just as you suggest, Skimottaret, and takes place though the entire transition, beginning as the skis are rolling off edge from the old turn, and continuing through the time they're rolling back on edge for the start of the new turn. Yes, we want to get back to square with the old turn counter reduced or eliminated by the time of edge angle neutral during the transition, then have slight new counter created by the time of new turn initiation, or shortly thereafter.
Sounds like we are saying basically the same thing. Cool beans.
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You know it makes sense.
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FastMan, thanks for the clearly, detailed response, great for visualising what needs to be done!
I think rob@rar and skimottaret will testify: I am winning the battles (well... sometimes ) just not the war!
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, first time in ages there has been any tech talk on SH's and we do TRY to keep in non techy on the hill...