 Poster: A snowHead
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welshflyer, that's to keep the riff raff out 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Anyone else going to join us?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Good question, and good bumpity! 
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Zero-G, would you mind PMing me your mobile number, in case I get lost, lose my (South London) passport, or something? I wouldn't want people waiting around for me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Pedantica, PM sent.
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Zero-G, thank you!
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Bump
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Would love to do a practise session, but cannot make 20th. Will keep an eye for any further oppos. Victoriaplum (or The Dormouse)
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Bumping to do a final roll call over the next few days. Anyone dropping out or anyone else wish to be added to the 'attending' list?
Unhappy to report that the hill is completely bare of snow. With the current balmy weather, flip flops may be the most suitable footwear for this session 
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Have updated the opening post with directions and map.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Zero-G, thanks, that is SUPER-efficient! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I would be interested, but have no trannie. If there are spares, I'd love to come along!
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Nudge
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You know it makes sense.
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Zero-G, Thanks for the map and instructions - I bow down before such pure organisational skills and forethought.
See you Sunday
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Big Paua, just pointed out that this will be round the corner from me. I will certainly be around for the pub to meet you all and probably for the session too (I have a transceiver but don't practice as much as I should). Hope there are lots of leaves to hide the "victim".
adamantis, pedantica if I come to the whole event you could borrow mine most of the time.
Actually I do have another very old transceiver but I think it doesn't work properly now - I'll have to check.
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Poster: A snowHead
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adamantis, apologies, I missed your post. Welcome to have a go with my trannie if snowball, doesn't make it. Have added you both to the 'interested' list.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| snowball wrote: |
| Hope there are lots of leaves to hide the "victim". |
The trees have been pleasingly co-operative in that regard. Would be good to see you again.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hello
Fab idea, many thanks for organising
Myself and Mr Badpanda (and our two transceivers) would like to be added to the list if we can.
Silly question time - never done one of these without snow, what do we bring? Probe but not shovel?
See u Sunday!
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May I attend as a non-tranny owner? Keen to learn just for general safety / prior to going off-piste at PSB (he says optimistically). Wouldn't expect to use, just shadow/listen?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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just shadow/listen
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Me too, really.
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Badpanda, have added you and the Mr to the 'attending' list. Just bring your trannies, you don't need probes or shovels.
JaMMi, have added you to the 'interested' list but if you confirm, will put you in the other list. Just to be clear, this isn't a training session (I don't think any of us is qualified as an avy trainer), we're all just practising but am sure everyone will be more than willing to share the wisdom 
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Hmm, wisdom might be overdoing it but I expect several of us can give general info about planning a search and using the transceiver. I don't see why everyone can't have a go. With one "victim" it is quite easy but when there are several it gets quite tricky and my lack of practice becomes very apparent.
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I've got a bad cold and therefore won't be able to join you tomorrow.
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| snowball wrote: |
| With one "victim" it is quite easy but when there are several it gets quite tricky and my lack of practice becomes very apparent. |
On a recent HAT weekend course, two of us found that with our particular trannies, after marking the second victim, the trannie struggled to pinpoint further victims. We literally walked around in circles. We found that 'rebooting' our transceivers before trying to locate the third victim resolved this entirely. Mine's an Ortovox 3+, can't remember what the other transceiver was.
welshflyer, man flu?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Zero-G, will try and make it and will pm my mobile # Thanks
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm unfortunately not going to be able to make this now. Very disappointed as would have been the prefect session for me.
Sure you'll all find it enjoyable and worthwhile
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JaMMi, dasher, no worries.
Jivebaby, have sent you mine in return.
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You know it makes sense.
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Apologies for the short notice, but I'm not going to be joining you. Daughter trouble.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hey
Worst internet excuse but my sis is in labour so going to have to rain check. I was still keen but but not allowed. Have fun!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Zero-G wrote: |
| snowball wrote: |
| With one "victim" it is quite easy but when there are several it gets quite tricky and my lack of practice becomes very apparent. |
On a recent HAT weekend course, two of us found that with our particular trannies, after marking the second victim, the trannie struggled to pinpoint further victims. We literally walked around in circles. We found that 'rebooting' our transceivers before trying to locate the third victim resolved this entirely. Mine's an Ortovox 3+, can't remember what the other transceiver was. |
WOW! That could be REALLY important to know
Do you remember, was the of transceiver a different make or was it Ortovox too?
And they both needed rebooting?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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admin, I wish I could remember what the other trannie was but I can't. If we have enough people with trannies today, I'll repeat the exercise to verify if that is always the case with 3+ specifically.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I reckon all three of the models being used today were problematic: after locating two burials, everyone seemed to struggle with the third.
Huge thanks to Zero-G for organising this and to everyone for being so patient with the only real ignoramus in the party. It was not only a very useful couple of hours, it was fun too, especially since it was such a beautiful day. And then it turned into yet another jolly social occasion (my third snowHead meet-up of the weekend ) when we repaired for warmth and sustenance to a local caff - where we were even graced with admin's presence! !Lovely to meet Mr and Mrs Badpanda, Big Paua, jivebaby and Zero-G, as well as to see snowball again - good to see you continuing apace with your recovery!
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Well, we only managed to kill four 'victims' today. The multiple burial scenarios were difficult for everyone and it was always the third (and in one case, the fourth) victim that we struggled to find. With one or two victims, we had a good success rate.
Kudos to Badpanda for simulating a realworld panic scenario by running at us, shouting and waving her arms in a manner that would make a berserker proud.
We had a small variety of trannies: several BCA Tracker, two Ortovox 3+ and a Mammut Barryvox Pulse. Pedantica tried all three and found the Barryvox the easiest to use. For someone who had never used a transceiver before, the woman was like a bloodhound and beelined straight to the victims!
With regards to having to reboot the 3+ so that I could locate the 3rd/4th victim, I had to do this twice. But on two other occasions, didn't have to. So the jury is still out on whether this is needed as standard.
But the best trannie of the day has to be admin's magical transceiver, which somehow led him to the restaurant we were in, despite all of our trannies being switched off. WTF?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Heh, it took me so long to write that post that I missed yours Pedantica. Good to meet you all too.
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Zero-G, Many thanks for arranging a fun meet with a few friendly snowheads- it was also lovely to revisit my old haunts, although the drive home was so foggy my transceiver may well have performed better than my Sat-Nav!
I've attached this link which addresses the question asked regarding searchers who are not transmitting: http://www.mammut.ch/en/newfirmware.html
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Well that was very convenient for me and reinforced how difficult multiple burials are. You can't practice that at home, and out in the mountains it is so tempting to not lose skiing time during the day, and then, when tired at the end of the day, not do it then either.
Really good to meet you all, or meet you again (I hope I'll finally get to ski with you one day, Zero-G).
Big Paua came back and had dinner at my place and we probably bored my non-skiing (and by definition non prostate) wife rigid, talking about skiing and prostate problems.
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Sorry I couldn't make it - would have been nice to see how the F1 did with 3+ burials. Quite highly dependent on the ears of the user in those cases.
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The day was good and when I arrange another practise session, the format may be slightly different. While I saw the day as a means to practise with my beacon so that using it becomes second nature, the group as a whole could have benefitted if we practised actual scenarios where one person takes charge managing the searchers, search pattern and digging. This is just as important as knowing how to use a transceiver. Everyone can take turns being the rescue leader and everyone learns to work as a team under a rescue leader.
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Zero-G I've always wondered about pre assigning rescue leader , 2nd in command etc before setting out for the excursion but wondered if in the heat of the moment it would all go tits up depending on personal panic levels and slope position such that its fairly useless. Essentially it seems to a duty that would fall most often to tailgunner which is a good reason for them not being the least experienced member of the party.
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