 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm pretty new to the site and have been loving all the info!
I am currently skiing in a pair of Nordica Beast 12 boots - purchased about 5 seasons ago.
I love the boots, they fit well and they are the first pair of boots I have ever owned. My concern is I don't really have anything to compare to, apart from the hire gear I was using before I purchased these boots.
After reading so many posts and seeing the repeated advice to update boots with skis I am wondering what your thoughts are on these boots and if they are "outdated" yet?
My skiing is primarily in Australia but have skiied in Japan earlier this year and am booked for a trip to Utah in Feb and have the bug for more travel and more skiing. I would say I am an high intermediate/advanced skier with most of my time spent on the groomers but after Japan am keen to spend more time off piste. (not sure if this is relevant).
Here's a link to the boot if you are unfamiliar with it: http://www.backcountry.com/nordica-beast-12-ski-boot-mens
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Andy H, short answer, no boots don't really go out of date.
Example, (at least) one well known manufacturer is still using moulds from longer ago than that to produce its "latest" models, which really aren't significantly different except in colour.
I change my boots when they get too smelly. If I really like the fit, then I may extend the shells' life with new liners. I need new liners typically around 180 days.
If you bought really cheap, nasty "beginners'" boots, you may want to replace them with something more comfortable and performant, but the Beast is a reasonable enough boot I would think.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Andy H, so long as they fit your feet, you are getting good hold and the soles aren't too worn to fit safely in a binding then they will be fine for a good while yet, the boot level is pretty good so unless you are advancing at a really fast rate and skiing all season long i wouldn't worry
then of course there is the little doubt that may be in your mind that says , mmmmmm i wonder if i could get a better fit/flex for my feet/skiing??? 
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When the plastic shell disintegrate then it is too old.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Awesome, thanks for the replies.
I thought they were fine but didn't want to be "missing out" 
My wife will be very happy with the received advice too! (She doesn't ski)
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When the color is sooooooooooo yesterday 
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I have found, twice, that boots were "too old" when they started to hurt me, essentially because my foot were moving in them a bit (they were particularly sore at ankle level, when I was skating - not sore other times, but a little sloppy). The first time, I solved the problem by buying new boots, then the next time, solved them by having Zipfit liners put into the same shell.
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I thought my ten-year-old, one-two weeks skiing a year Salomons were fine. And then I shouted myself a trip to Profeet in Fulham (only after first seeking advice from here, of course) and a fitting session with a pair of heat-moulded liners. Best thing I ever did for my skiing in the last 15 or so years. Refurbishes the boot to good as new, if not better.
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The most common plastic begins to loose properties after 30000 flexes through 10°, also exposure to sunlight UV a-b, and extremes of temperature -10 and below will all fatigue the plastic. 
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extremes of temperature -10
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I knew there was a good reason why I head for a bar and a vin chaud when it gets very cold.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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This has made me look at when I got mine - the nice thing about documenting things on SH's is you can look back and find out . I actually got mine in Jan 07 - which is several years ago now - I was surprised at how long. I reckon that's 9 long weeks ('cos I often ski for the extra Saturdays on the end of the holidays skiing plus the odd weekend and 4-5 hr snow dome session - so approaching 10 weeks skiing. I've been back and had them tightened up once and at the moment they still feel OK, but they were my first boots Head 8.8's. I wonder how much longer they will be OK for?
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Megamum, they have a nominal flex index of 70, so one might argue that they were never really OK for anything... 
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You know it makes sense.
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I bought some new ones when the others were 20 years old..................................
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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They were comfy........................
and worked.
New ones are just as good.............................after fettling.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Andy H,
I change my boots when they get too smelly. |
Dear Andy H, after having skied with you a number of years now, and you can consider this an intervention. 5years is being very conservative, and its time! or your boots can sleep outside this trip.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Your ski boots are too old when the leather starts to get mildewed!
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Richo, Alastair Pink, 
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I am old my boots are only half my age now whats the problem 
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Sharkymark, And at what temperature you flex them, how tight they're done up and what kind of plastic they are made from.
But the factory tests are mostly to my knowledge based around 30,000 flexes to get the number we all refer to.
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Your ski boots are too old when the leather starts to get mildewed!
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You are not treeting your boots correctly. Dry them gently, apply dubbin then store them in a dry well ventilated place.
I bought my first pair of boots just as rear entry boots were coming into fashion. They were all very wide fitting and I could not get any to fit properly so I persuaded a salesman (actually a personal friend who subsequently went on to climb the north face of the Eiger) to sell me a pair of 4 clip boots. The rear entry fashion came and went and I still kept skiing on the same boots adding moulded insoles after about 7 years. I pensioned them off last year after 20 years service.
John
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When the color is sooooooooooo yesterday
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or the extreme version: when the colour has gone out of fashion, come back in again, and gone out again. Which is where I am now (and there is a clue in the forumname)
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Took my well-worn Atomic race boots in to see CEM this morning to check this very question. Excellent honest, straightforward and accurate advice from him as usual - shells fine but grotty (he suggested child slave labour to clean them - my kids ), liners just grotty. One new set of liners sourced and that's me sorted for another season or two. Also got him to tweak my trail running trainers (which again he approved as being fit for purpose), which definitely feel even better now. Thanks Colin!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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livetoski, Simples innit, don't turn!
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livetoski, That's over 2000 days skiing in the same shell? That's almost every good day of a season for the last 20 odd years. Do yourself a favor, and buy some new shells!
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You know it makes sense.
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each boot will be flexed 30,000 times through 10° angle. I don't know how often YOU would do that.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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livetoski, Titan Light!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, but livetoskis boots are made of kryptonite rather than plastic....the only way i can see them having survived so long
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