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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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That's what happens to a country when you smoke too much pot.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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It looks too steep to me.
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It won't happen, but I can tell you the short history behind the idea. As is written in the article Dutch sports journalist Thijs Zonneveld proposed this idea during the Tour the France this year. Amazingly his idea was picked up by media nationwide, I guess nothing of importance happened during this summer (I think it was it was before the Norway-shooting).
He now claims that (several) working group(s) are investigating his idea for a mountain of about 2000 meters, to be build in the "Flevopolder" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland) or near "Bergen aan Zee" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_aan_Zee). The main prospect would be to give the Dutch their own mountain for (mainly) road cycling. But climbing, skiing, bobsledding and other sports could also benefit.
Being Dutch we immediately want to now the costs, but any guess now is premature. It will cost loads of money, if feasible at all. Mr. Zonneveld claims that private investors will be the (primary) source of income for this project. Being Dutch also means we like to find arguments why this project will not happen, arguments include:
- Too costly;
- The sediment won't hold the weight of the mountain, underground water levels will change nationwide and natural gas reservoirs will collapse;
- 2000 meter is far too high for a country north of the Alps. It will be eye-blisteringly cold during the autumn-winter-spring months, an uninhabitable climate like the 1100 (!) meter Brocken mountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken) already has.
- It will be far too windy during most of the year too perform any sort of sports activity.
- The climate will change nationwide, with far more rainfall between the North-sea and the mountain.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Offset the cost by charging other countries to dump their landfill waste on the site (thus building it on the cheap), harvest the methane for power and claim the whole thing as some weird enviromentalist answer to global warming (or is it cooling this week).
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Must warn Ronald not to sell his flat nearby. Could get great rental from it for the Bergen 2042 Winter Olympics.
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The Dutch mountaineering society, eh? Bit like the Swiss Navy, methinks...
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If it keeps them from clogging up the roads round here then it'll be brilliant
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Do the Dutch have an equivilent to Aprils fools day?
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| Een berg in Nederland: waarom niet? De Nederlandse Berg is een intiatief van… iedereen! Deel je ideeën, reageer op de ideeën van anderen en vertel het tegen al je vrienden. Wil je op andere manieren meehelpen — oftewel: heb je geld of tijd over — stuur dan een mailtje naar |
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| You gullible English are stupid too so! How taken in easily could you be? Mountain's in Netherland, no! Flatness, tulips, dykes, caravans and marijuana smoking, yes. Number one wind up agent Stanton, successful again! |
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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How you would go about building a mountain is beyond me.
I mean where will the materials come from? and you couldnt just make an enormous pile of Earth, it would be way too unstable. There would have to be allot of rock and allot of re-enforced concrete too holding the whole thing together, infact 1000s, even 100,000s times more than all the largest of the super-projects ever attempted by man. And even then theres wildlife habitat, to destroy and redevelop, and that involves creating an enviroment that would naturally take 100s of years to form. And then just think of the atmospheric dust that would be the result of all the Earth moving, concrete pouring madness. And thats before putting up ski lifts, roads and everything else. In other words, you would need far more money and time and frankly its not financially viable. Edinburgh Trams spring to mind, the place would be making an insane loss every year.
Having said that, it would be pretty cool 
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completely nutty idea 
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You know it makes sense.
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Colin B, very good
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| James the Last wrote: |
| The Dutch mountaineering society, eh? Bit like the Swiss Navy, methinks... |
A misconception there, I would not mess with the Swiss navy. Very professional.
Although not a researched fact but I would say as a ratio for every mile of coast/lake line It's in better shape than our senior service.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| James the Last wrote: |
| The Dutch mountaineering society, eh? Bit like the Swiss Navy, methinks... |
Or a British Alpine Club? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Not forgetting that the Société Nautique de Genève held the Americas Cup from 2003 - 2010, not having a coastline didn't stop them.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Err, if the Dutch want to have some 2000 meter ascents for their cyclists would n't it be massively cheaper to build downwards. Dig a sloping tunnel (or a series of them) and let the cyclists ride up to the surface. Why not refrigerate some of them and have year round underground skiing as well. 
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Cheapest option surely would be to buy a mountain from the Greeks, and have it shipped over. Seeing they're short of a bob or two, they'd probably get a good deal and provide gainful employment if they get them to deliver. Easy as falling off a mountain of debt.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Bonkers. I have some very good Dutch friends and thier sense of humour is excellent.
I cant do the maths but I am sure someone on here can. Assuming a conical mountain 2000 metres high at the tip, with a slope shallow and steep enough to ski down, what would be its volume, namely, how many cubic metres of "earth", how many truckloads, etc.,? And i accept it cant just be earth, it would need stone, concrete, whatever, but I am sure doing the sums on "earth" alone would show this as the joke it surely is.
Love it.
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| Spud9 wrote: |
| Err, if the Dutch want to have some 2000 meter ascents for their cyclists would n't it be massively cheaper to build downwards. Dig a sloping tunnel (or a series of them) and let the cyclists ride up to the surface. Why not refrigerate some of them and have year round underground skiing as well. |
I think you'll find I already have a patent on this idea.
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=53352#1286836
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| paulio wrote: |
| Spud9 wrote: |
| Err, if the Dutch want to have some 2000 meter ascents for their cyclists would n't it be massively cheaper to build downwards. Dig a sloping tunnel (or a series of them) and let the cyclists ride up to the surface. Why not refrigerate some of them and have year round underground skiing as well. |
I think you'll find I already have a patent on this idea.
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=53352#1286836 |
In that case I'm claiming first dibs on the man made mountain idea, see my Milton Keynes Alps idea here:-
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=75357&start=80
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Damn. I thought I had that one covered. How about my 'enclose Cairngorm in a huge plastic bubble' plan?
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| paulio wrote: |
| Spud9 wrote: |
| Err, if the Dutch want to have some 2000 meter ascents for their cyclists would n't it be massively cheaper to build downwards. Dig a sloping tunnel (or a series of them) and let the cyclists ride up to the surface. Why not refrigerate some of them and have year round underground skiing as well. |
I think you'll find I already have a patent on this idea.
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=53352#1286836 |
Then you're patent is a pup, the temperature will get you. Every Km down you go you're looking at an increase of between 22 and 30 degrees - spring conditions indeed at the bottom of that hole, with risk of avalanche too as the walls will be under about 600 times the pressure than those at the surface, and no avelung/helmet combo will get you out of that one.
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Ssshhhh....
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