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Coombacks/Shoguns or Mantra's ....?

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I'm looking for an answer to the all singing all dancing question of best ski for Backcountry, Steeps, Chutes, and Bumps - I know the question for all us demanding a single ski rather than a quiver? Be really interested in everyone's opinion on this though. I really like the Shoguns but haven't demo'd the Mantra as yet. Just don't want to miss out on Steeps and Bumps action. Any ideas???? Razz Razz Razz
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Have you ruled out Gotamas?
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Not demo'd them either MM. Heard bang on reports though! I'm trying to narrow it down form my list of 3 so think Mantra might remain up there instead of Gotama for now. I know I'm looking for Nirvana here but don't want to compromise all the fun of steeps and couloirs and don't want to dissappoint on Bumps - hence my post.

Wanna try and get 'em sorted this week but been thinking about it too long and spending to much time assessing. Shoguns are sneaking it for me at the mo, but some of other riders really rate the Mantras. Don't know anyone personally with CoomBacks but such a great pedigree thanks to DC. (RIP).
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backcountryboy, none of the above will really work properly in bumps, but then you are looking for the ultimate compromise.
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I know, I know and when I think about it again the Mantra may probably be best all rounder (on and off), narrow chutes and Bumps - I just really like the feel of the Shoguns in the backcountry. Something's gotta give but I just can't decide what....?
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I've got the final question that will sort it out I think - although as I type I feel I already know the answer here......In narrow situations on a 50 degree pitch, I guess the short radius is kinda important in the end.........! NehNeh NehNeh NehNeh
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backcountryboy, Only if you're trying to carve that steep corridor.

If you're thinking skiddy skiddy or even jumpy jumpy, then the bigger radius could be better.
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backcountryboy,
Mantras are superb skis. Stiff-ish and quite fat so a bit of work in the bumps, though pretty much perfect flex for just about everything I've tried (not quite enough tortional rigidity for icy GS courses without enough GS ability from the driver!). I really like the combination of stiff through the ski, but soft enough tip that it works well in powder without being flappy when charging. For steeps and chutes i don't like too much shape as it's nice to be able to easily butter entrances and turns.
As mentioned above, Gotamas are also great skis (I'm quite a fan of Volkl freeskis), though quite different to the Mantra, oh and quite expensive!
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backcountryboy, I don't know if price is a factor, but Mantras are going cheap at snow and rock, £276 instead of £460 without bindings... http://www.snowandrock.com/volkl%20mantra%2010/11%20(ski%20only)/ski-touring/ski-snowboard-outdoor-sports/fcp-product/14398
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backcountryboy wrote:
I've got the final question that will sort it out I think - although as I type I feel I already know the answer here......In narrow situations on a 50 degree pitch, I guess the short radius is kinda important in the end.........! NehNeh NehNeh NehNeh


WRONG. In steeps you don't want a great deal of sidecut as you'll not have a huge amount of edge in contact with the snow.
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hardsides, but not for bumps. you wan to ski bumps, look for a different type of ski
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Thanks Guys for all the info......No takers on the CoomBacks then?
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I'll chuck in for the Coombacks, they are awesome. Skied all sorts of different conditions on them and I felt they coped with everything. I've never ever felt in a situation where I thought they were not performing. I'm no moguls expert so can't say too much about them in bumps, apart from to say I didn't feel any worse on them compared to my piste skis.

I've got the Fritschi Freerides on them and feel they are awesome on piste, unless seriously charging, when the rocker can get a bit flappy.
I can just about keep up with dynafit shod guides when skinning. Off piste they are fantatstic, float well and deal with crust quite admirably.
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Try the Gotama. Perfect for the off-piste. Softer and more manoeuvrable than the Mantras (the ski-length rocker helps). I know that everyone says it, but I have used these skis all season - with +/- 20 days on them - in ALL conditions (including waist-deep powder in couloirs in Val Thorens/Orelle, ice/hard pack in Wengen etc etc etc) and they have been awesome. As I have the Marker Barons on them, I have even used them for half a day touring - and the weight/width is no issue at all.......

They ski short so go for the "longer" length if you feel you are n between two sizes.

Sorry to through another pair of skis into the mix but I though you ought to know !!!!!!

Good luck with your final decision...
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+1 for Coombaks. Luv em snowHead Just found that Marker Squire bindings will take touring boots (for half the price of a touring binder).. so I can enjoy the walk out too ! Very Happy
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Just found that Marker Squire bindings will take touring boots (for half the price of a touring binder).. so I can enjoy the walk out too ! Very Happy


A little care should be taken with this statement. ^ I'm sure you can your AT boots to fit in the binding but "take" implies it will still work the way it's designed ie to accommodate and function with a ISO / DIN regulated boot.
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parlor, I checked with Marker about this.. the toe piece has an adjustable for height AFD, and the heel is shaped to accomodate touring boots. In any case I'll test them (on a test machine) before use.
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+ another 2 for the coombacks (and Gotbacks - womens' equivalent). Skied them in Japan, powder, trees, piste, a bit of park. Not many bumps but they're light and manouverable, with a nice stiffness in the tail that gives them excellent stability. Tried the Gotamas and were nowhere near as versatile. Probably the extra weight and topsheet. If you're heavier you might want them or the Hardside.
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