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Who can recommend a really good lens for flat light please?


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Kramer, for what, Glasses ? Goggles ? or photographic purposes ?
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Kramer wrote:
Who can recommend a really good lens for flat light please?
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Goggles please.
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Oakley.

Then try the different lenses to see which one works best for you.
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Wear The Fox Hat wins a prize for stating the flaming obvious. How can you test the different lens in flat light?
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Kramer, Oakley or Bolle both have good lenses for flat light, I prefer the slightly chaper Bolle goggles with a Vermillion Lens
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Kramer, you go to a shop, and try them on, then take a walk outside the shop to see them in natural light.
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Wear The Fox Hat, preferably when there's a bit of fog arround
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What type of light does your flat have?
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Wear The Fox Hat, but that's not the same as flat light conditions up the mountain is it?

I've got Oakleys with a plain orange lens at the moment, ok but not great. I was just wondering which of the fancy lens are best.

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Kramer, I am a big fan of my Uvex with lasergold lite (maybe super gold or something like that as they're a few years old - lasergold's the current marketing moniker). But I generally like pale yellow/gold lenses. They're not really dark enough for sunny days though. Oakley have an awesome rep but are £££££££
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Oakleys with Persimmon lens will do the trick in flat light. You can get them brand new on ebay at a reduced rate as many sellers import them direct from USA
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Kramer, but it must be said I am not a fan of flat light. I know, "fair weather skier"!

I find flat light much easier to deal with from a bar stool.
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David Murdoch, I've been know to fall over in flat light in both situations.
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David Murdoch, flat light in a bar can be an advantage when you're on the pull, if either one of you is facially challenged.
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Kramer, I recommend the Oakley Hi Intensity Blue (it's actually a yellowish lens) which is their best performing low/flat light lens at about 83% light transmission versus about 56% for the persimmon that you have. As far as I'm aware it's the highest transmission level goggle lens on the market. I've a pair of persimmons as well & the difference is extreme.

One of the benefits of the Oakley optics is that they are optically correct (ie no distortion) right across the lens which is really important when visibility is poor. Other high end makes definately aren't. I actually had an optician pal of mine test a whole range of sun glasses lenses from the top manufacturers for me to use when shooting (yes, I'm a lens geek Shocked ). Any kind of optical distortion is not good for shooting & I reckon it's also pretty important when tonking along in low light as well.

You can't be too far from me (I'm in Lambley on the east side of Nottm) so if you wanted to meet up for a pint & borrow them to have a play with on a dull day you're very welcome. I'm also going to the Castleford ski test in August & that's as good a flat light test as you'll get in the UK.

BTW, a number of the Lions racers at Castelford wear low light specs because the light there isn't that great when running the poles flat out.
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spyderjon, thanks for the offer. I was thinking of the Hi Intensity Blue lens from looking at the website, so I'll probably take the plunge and buy some, probably in the Wisdom frame as that seems to be more fog resistant than the others. FWIW the optician that I skied with last year swore by Oakleys.

A lens geek is exactly what I needed. Very Happy

I might be going to the Castleford ski test, social life and work permitting.
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Kramer, Have you tried the Wisdom frame? It's pretty big & is often a problem with a helmet if you wear one (sorry don't mean to tell you how to suck eggs).

If you're persimmon goggles are 'A' frames then you could just buy a Hi Blue lens mail order from the US & you'll save a bundle.
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spyderjon, but my goggle frames are green suede effect, and the rest of my ski-suit is black, so I need some new ones. Embarassed
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Kramer,
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but my goggle frames are green suede effect

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Kramer wrote:
spyderjon, but my goggle frames are green suede effect, and the rest of my ski-suit is black, so I need some new ones. Embarassed


Wow, green suede goggles. Keep them & get a suit to match Very Happy
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Wear The Fox Hat wrote:
you go to a shop, and try them on, then take a walk outside the shop to see them in natural light.


Foxy's shop test is really the only way to test lenses in the UK. Kramer's right in that the light might not be the same as on the mountain but that doesn't really matter as it's the difference between the lens types that you're testing.

You can test low light lenses on a bright day by standing in & looking into the shadows etc.

For testing high tint (ie dark) lenses in bright light it's very easy to see the differences outside the shop however you should also do the shadow test with them as that's when the subtle distinctions show up. For example, Oakley's Fire Iridium, Black Iridium & Blue Iridium have very similar light transmission figures & all perform great in bright light so it's pretty much down to personal preference & what shade matches your jacket wink.

However, look into the shadows & the contrast/definition difference between these lenses is marked, with the Fire being far superior IMO. This should a major consideration when choosing medium to bright light lenses as you often find yourself skiing in & out of shadows on bright days.

My recommendation, especially if you carry two pairs of goggles (or sun glasses & low light goggles) is to select lenses with the maximum range of operation so you only need to swap when there's a major change in conditions. For me that choice is the Fire Iridium & the HI Blue which are superb at the extremes of the light levels but I'd also be happy wearing either in 'average' light.
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D G Orf, I mean a sort of matt effect green. I think.
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I have Bolle with Vermillion lens-excellent, also Smith goggles, but can't remember which lens at to mo, but they're good too.
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Kramer wrote:
Who can recommend a really good lens for flat light please?

Adidas and Oakley both do lenses specifically for flat light, what you need in a lens for these conditions is a transmission of around 55 to 70% or absorption 30 to 45%. Transmission and absorption both refer to the amount of reflected light through the lens. Make sure you check these before you buy.
If you are a boarder and want a lens to do both which is not easy then the Adidas Orange mirror and The Oakley HI Persimmon both fit the bill. Ideally for maximum visiblity in the appropiate conditions you need two sets of lenses if you want to see in flat light but also avoid squinting and possibly sore eyes in bright sunny conditions.
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Jacqui Very Happy
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Hi Jacqui, and welcome to snowHeads, the moderators take a dim view on persons advertising for buisness, however in this specific case I think we might let it pass as you are answering a specific question related to your business.
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Jacqui, Welcome to snowHeads.

As it's out of season what discount can you offer me off the Oakley list price for a pair of 'A' frame goggles with Hi Intensity Blue lenses? Any 'non girlie' frame colour will do - say, carbon, black, silver etc.
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spyderjon, perhaps Jacqui would like to contact admin, and get an ad in Snowsports so we can all benefit.
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Helen Beaumont, My comment was actually a bit of a teaser (following another thread) as we all know that Oakley dealers aren't allowed to discount their products!
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spyderjon, oops , sorry!!! We need a tongue-in-cheek smiley. I'd already commented on that too, as hubby couldn't get his MArin discounted either!!! Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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Jacqui, welcome to snowHeads, and thanks for the advice.

I have sunglasses for bright light, and carry my goggles with me for flat light (persimmon lens), is it worth getting some goggles with hi-blue lens for really bad conditions?
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Kramer wrote:
I have sunglasses for bright light, and carry my goggles with me for flat light (persimmon lens), is it worth getting some goggles with hi-blue lens for really bad conditions?


The HI Blue will do everything your persimmon goggles will do & waaay more. Buy the HI Blue & ebay your old 'uns at the start of the season. You know it makes sense Smile
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I was in Snow and rock on Kensington High St today and noticed they had Oakley ski goggles reduced by 30% - it appears that reductions can be done but in my experience they're few and far between.

While Oakley can't legally control the sales price, they can 'encourage' shops to stock at the prices they suggest - stock might be hard to come by, concessions might be removed for 'other' reasons etc. While not strictly within the spirit of the regulations, they'll likely get away with it as there's no cartel in action and luxury goods are unlikely to attract too much scrutiny from the competition regulators.

I also know Oakley are very protective of their brand - friends who used to own an specialist sports shop were told there were too many other stockists in the area and were refused a concession. (to be fair they were, in part, after oakleys at trade price for themselves... Very Happy )

Before this appears a total anti-Oakley rant, I should point out I've owned three pairs of glasses and will probably buy some goggles as soon as my current ones give up the ghost. And in my experience, Oakley's customer service is second to none in terms of efficiency and effectiveness.

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starnberg - interesting username... did you live there ?
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In general I find the pinkish lens less effective and prefer an Orange type tint for flat light. More useful in other conditions as well IMO.
But WTFH is probably right the only way to really test them is to try them out in the appropriate conditions which means buying on a dull day and walking outside the shop unless you have access to lab conditions...

My best buy was a pair of Julbo high mountain glacier glasses I bought in Meribel over 20 years ago. Very good in all conditions
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austin7, Nope, it's a reference to a character in the Flashman books - Count Rudi Von Starnberg (who presumably did hail from the area). A bit odd perhaps, but it serves as a memorable nom de plume for the internet...

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Am v. close to buying a pair of Oakely halfjackets and a handful of interchangable lenses & this thread is very useful.
spyderjon, took onboard comments above re: HI blue which is actually a yellow colour, however it didn't turn up on Oakley's website. Is "HI yellow" the same thing? (transmits 90%, over the 61% offered by "persimmon" lenses and 66% for "light blue").
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The Hi Blue lens is different to the Hi Yellow lens AFAIK. The section of the website that you've linked to, seems to miss out the Hi blue for some reason, but it's in the other sections as a lens option.
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