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I am a light skier but I really like a stiff ski, always had problems while racing bending the ski at slow speed.
Does anyone have any good tricks for bending skis and getting round the first turn in or out of the gates or indeed any slow turn without skidding and losing a lot of speed or balance?
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dulcamara, slight knee angulation for first turn(s)
For reference videos see Knee Angulation
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I might get a bit more angle on the ski but surely i would lose the ability to bend the ski using leg strength?
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Works for me, with beer that is? 
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Could we move away from the idea that the only to do this is to get fat. There must be a way to turn a ski at slow speed without being single....
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| I might get a bit more angle on the ski but surely i would lose the ability to bend the ski using leg strength? |
First, the energy that bends the ski comes from the forces generated by the turn itself. It's not self generated. On gentle terrain, where speeds take time to build, turn forces during the beginning of a turn can be low. There's not much there yet to bend the ski, or to keep us in balance as we incline into the turn to put our skis on edge. This is why Little Tiger suggested the usage of knee angulation. It allows us to put the skis on a strong edge angle, while keeping our Center of Mass more over top of our skis. That allows us to maintain lateral balance while the turn forces are low, yet still create the turn shape we desire. Later, our speed will increase, the turn forces will grow, and the Center of Mass can then be dropped further into the turn via hip angulation.
Make sense?
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dulcamara
I've tried this myself. When I first skied my 181cm Elan GSX skis they were much stiffer than would readily bend at the speeds I was accustomed to. These were full bore stock race skis from a FIS racer. I simply needed about 3 turns(or a long run downhill)  to get enough speed to easily bend them.
FastMan suggested the small amount of knee angulation, as I suggested to you, when I explained the issue. I tried it - bingo no problem! I had the method I needed to control the ski more until I got to speed. If the race course was too turny for that to work I usually needed a shorter length or a cheater GS ski(detuned around 17m radius)
Give it a try - you just need a bit to start the whole thing going!
| FastMan wrote: |
First, the energy that bends the ski comes from the forces generated by the turn itself. It's not self generated. On gentle terrain, where speeds take time to build, turn forces during the beginning of a turn can be low. There's not much there yet to bend the ski, or to keep us in balance as we incline into the turn to put our skis on edge. This is why Little Tiger suggested the usage of knee angulation. It allows us to put the skis on a strong edge angle, while keeping our Center of Mass more over top of our skis. That allows us to maintain lateral balance while the turn forces are low, yet still create the turn shape we desire. Later, our speed will increase, the turn forces will grow, and the Center of Mass can then be dropped further into the turn via hip angulation.
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I'll definitely spend a bit of time playing with my knees tomorrow.
Must admit I've tried this before but i never really got enough turn for the first gate generally in my races I would end up late for the next 10 gates and spend most of the course on my tails.... praying. Friend today was suggested unweighting the ski completely to get it re-angled as there wouldn't be much force at low speed that would need redirecting, bit like drift and lock or even stepping, or would i lose a lot of speed with this?
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Cool, lots to play with tomorrow. i'll just be happy if i can get round without falling inside
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