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Sig. other got some new skis, but I'm confused about the DIN settings on them.
I told the vendor her approx. stats (decent on-piste skier, likes bumpy black runs for example, 65kg or thereabouts) and the skis were delivered with the DIN settings at 4.5
I think that looks low, but am the first to admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. Can anyone help?
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brian
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Mr Technique, it does look low. That link from Brian looks useful though.
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Yep, thanks bri.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Mr Technique, I think thats a little low too. I would certainly be winding them up, probably to about a 6.5 or 7. It does to a certain extent also depends on the size of the foot.
It seems the guy that set them up is playing a little safe. Better for him to set them up low and they release, than for him to have wound the DIN up and they don't come off when needed. He doesnt know you are telling the truth about ability, a lot of people over estimate. Crank 'em up.
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| eclectic wrote: |
Mr Technique, I think thats a little low too. I would certainly be winding them up, probably to about a 6.5 or 7. It does to a certain extent also depends on the size of the foot.
It seems the guy that set them up is playing a little safe. Better for him to set them up low and they release, than for him to have wound the DIN up and they don't come off when needed. He doesnt know you are telling the truth about ability, a lot of people over estimate. Crank 'em up. |
That's not really playing it safe though eh. A ski releasing at an inopportune moment is as dangerous as one not releasing I would say. I think it might just be a cock up.
Boot sole length is 289 from memory.
So here's the funny thing. I'm as good or a tad better than she is, I'm a hulking 6 footer with a beer gut and size 11s. When I rent kit they always set me up on about 7 or 7.5. That must also be rather on the low side as well if you (and those website DIN calculators) have my relatively petite little flower of a woman pegged as a 6.5 or 7.
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Mr Technique, I would suspect your boot sole length is different to hers, that has an affect on the DIN rating, try your weight and height and vary the boot sole length and see what difference it makes!!
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Ah right. I arsumed that canoes-for-feet == higher DIN, but it's the other way round. Cheers.
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My ex was probably a better skier and weighs around the same. She always skied on 4.5-5 and never pre-released...
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Thanks parlor, well I'm confused now then. All those "calculator" doodads on the net seem to be recommending upwards of 6, and I don't doubt for a moment that your ex was a better skier...
So, er, shall I leave them alone or crank them up to 7?
Confused of Sussex.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Mr Technique, I'm heavier than your missus by about 9kg and while I don't go hooning down bumps I do ski 'em (kind of). I have 4.5 and never pre-release, in fact I'm thinking about taking them down a bit.
Both those links gives me a 5 setting which is too high for me. if I said i was under 49 (whcih I was last season) it would come out at a 6, far too high.
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Hm. Might just leave them alone then. Why is this so complicated?!
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You know it makes sense.
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4.5 up to 6.5 is a big change. There is something to be said for putting a booted foot in the binding on flat ground (even the front room carpet) and trying to see how hard it is to get out. If it seems too easy then put it up a bit (but 5.5 is still probably high enough).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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7 seems very high, a while ago my skis were set by the shop at 7 and I didn't pre-release on piste...in fact even now I often have the front bindings at 8 (the rear ones are another story). And I'm 89 kgs and 5'11 and ski reasonably hard offpiste.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I think try them and see - I'm 75kg UK size 9.5 and I've skiied on 5 to 5.5 for 20+ years. I'd rather my skis pre-release (not that they hardly ever do) than wreck my knees. Sometimes there'll be times when I REALLY don't want to lose a ski (steep blacks & deep pow spring to mind) and then I just crank them up a bit.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Without knowing some of your personal details, having just entered my info into that DIN calculator, my setting also came out at 7 - too low for me. I usually set at 8 following expert advice several years ago. Might be lowering that for the expected weight loss though....
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| beequin wrote: |
| 4.5 up to 6.5 is a big change. There is something to be said for putting a booted foot in the binding on flat ground (even the front room carpet) and trying to see how hard it is to get out. If it seems too easy then put it up a bit (but 5.5 is still probably high enough). |
Its not a good idea to test bindings by trying to twist out of them.
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I don't know what you've already seen but when I was working as a tech we did the salomon course using the stuff off here http://www.salomontechnician.com/details.php It's not going to let you do the exam obviously but the two pdf files might be of interest.
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Mr Technique, In most situations pre-release is probably better than late-release.
If you are not going to be digging her skis out of deep powder for a while, I'd go for 5 and see how things go.
Women are more likely to damage their knees than men for a given twisting injury - so good to be cautious.
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jbob,
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beequin wrote:
4.5 up to 6.5 is a big change. There is something to be said for putting a booted foot in the binding on flat ground (even the front room carpet) and trying to see how hard it is to get out. If it seems too easy then put it up a bit (but 5.5 is still probably high enough).
Its not a good idea to test bindings by trying to twist out of them.
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I did not say twist, but I accept the point. You have to be careful.
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I always went low to start with and took it up 0.5 at a time if I had pre-releases. Found that hitting moguls with rubbish technique was a good test  . It also seemed to depend on the ski length and weight.. on old B2's I was fine on 6.5, changed skis and bindings and was popping out at 8.
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For all those who have said:
Start at 4.5 and push it up 0.5 each time you (wife etc) get a pre-release is the right answer!
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Thanks everybody, this has been really useful.
However I feel I must point out that if she dies I'm holding you all responsible and you'll be hearing from my solicitor.
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That's nice....has she bequethed something to us then?
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Seems t o work well. Don't forget to put her boot sole length and all the other data in there. She may be a 3+ (willing to accept more risk of non-release than a 3).
It may not be safer for her to pre-release, as she could end up dying in the rocks or at the bottom of a cliff at high speed due to a ski bouncing off in a rut or when landing some air, but it's safer for the shop that set the DINs too low; you won't be able to say they didn't come off when they should have and there's no way to prove that they weren't subject to enough force to legitimately cause a release.
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| Ghost wrote: |
| dying in the rocks or at the bottom of a cliff at high speed due to a ski bouncing off in a rut or when landing some air. |
*Splurt*
No, she's really not that kind of skier 
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Mr Technique, I'm the same weight, same sex, and have a slightly longer boot sole length. I normally use DIN 5.5. Snow & Rock offered me Demo kit set at 4.5, and my local Swiss dealer always want to set me at 7 
I have never had a pre-released binding at setting 5.5, have not managed to ski fast/hard enough maybe? Some folks ski lightly on their kit, and seem to get by with lower settings.
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You know it makes sense.
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