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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Interesting... they claim that there are 4.5 million skiers and boarders in the UK (13% of the population!) Mad.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Does that mean we (Britain) can put in a realistic bid for the winter olympics 
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Good news, but I'm not sure about a few of their claims.
"Largest indoor slope in Europe" - it's 415m long, 70m wide so about 30000sq.m . Landgraaf is 35000 sq.m
"World's first indoor winter spports resort" - depends on definition of a resort I suppose, but Landgraaf has an associated hotel, conference centre and fitness centre. Landgraaf doesn't have an attached icerink. There's a place in Shenzhen that has icerink and snowslope, but possibly not hotel attached.
"Capacity for 3500 skiers per day" is I guess just about achievable. Assuming each trip is about 2hrs, and open 9am-11pm that means they need 500 skiers on the slope at any one time. Hemel has 160m x 30m plus 100m by about 20 - so about 7000sq m. Their capacity is 150 skiers, so the SnoAsis capacity is a similar (or slightly lower) density - but will depend on how much wasted space there is around the edges and how the learner's areas are managed. Hemel's pretty rammed at that capacity.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Interesting... they claim that there are 4.5 million skiers and boarders in the UK (13% of the population!) Mad. |
Why would that be mad?
According to Crystalski statistics, there are over 2 million ski trips taken per year, and while some people take several, I am sure their counts also miss a significant chunk of the DIY market.
If you define a "skier or boarder" as anybody who has taken one or more trips in (say) the last five years, then that number may not be far off.
And it is less than 10% of the population - I have no idea where you get 13% from, unless you just got confused with your fractions - it is in fact about 1/13 of the population.
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alex_heney, sometimes I think you are just here to tell people they are wrong 
You make a good point though...
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alex_heney, I was excluding the economically inactive, illegal immigrants, under fives and pedants and spent forty five hours studying the last census before I posted  . Anyway, trust me on this, 4.5 million is wildly wrong. Here's a little clip from the most recent Crystal Report The ski market fell by 13.3% across all sectors last season. The fall follows seven successive years of growth and reduces the number of skiers travelling abroad from more than 1.22m in 2007/8 to just over 1m in 2008/9. And there they are talking skiers whren they actually mean trips. There are other reports like AC Neilson that are unbiased but broadly support the generally accepted figure for the number of UK skiers AND boarders at under 1 million... and probably closer to 800k and declining as people drop off at the older baby boomer end.
If it was 4.5 million you'd be looking at roughly 20% of anyone that has a job.
I have no idea where you got over 2 million from - a guess?
I hope this helps.
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Bode Swiller, Why are you interested only in those who have a job?
Many families go skiing including children, who usually don't have jobs. Plus school trips, students who somehow manage to afford it, couples where only one has a job, etc. etc.
You need to look at numbers as a % of the entire population (which is in the region of 60 million), not just those in jobs.
I got the 2 million from memory of that last Crystal Ski report, but I can't find my downloaded copy at the moment 
I can remember comparing the numbers taking wintersports holidays and those taking summer holidays, and it being about 10%.
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In my experience projects like this usually start on site as soon as they have funding. So saying they start on site in Sept suggests to me they don't yet, but they hope they will be then. Will believe it when it happens...
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Interesting vertical drop - they claim it will be 100m. http://www.snoasis.co.uk/snoasis/
Now Ski Dubai is similarly about 400m long, 80m wide, but has only 69m vertical.
To get to 100m drop in the same overall length it's going to be fairly steep - at least in parts - allowing for a run-out area at the bottom and a flat top for the boarders to clip-in on. I'd say red run steepness. (Ski Dubai claims to be a black - but that's balls. A steepish blue for the most part with a short reddish bit on the inside of the bend in the middle of the run)
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415mtr is an improvement comparing to what is now available in UK, but it is still well behind Europe. Alpincenter In Germany is 640mtr for example.
http://www.alpincenter.com/
And we still have to wait 3 or 4 yaers for this to open.
Why not to look for suitable hill and built something less glorious but longer. All you need is a bit of roof to cover the hill.
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Intersting that in the clip it says that it will cost £500 Million, and that mezzanine finance, finance etc is being encouraged/sought. Also the lovely 'plan' of it conveniently cuts off the massive houseing development (on the right).
I would suggest the 'finance' means the hotel company will finance/build the hotel, the property developers will finanace/build the chalets and residential housing, the dome operation company will finance/build the dome, the shopping center will be financed/built by commercial property developers etc.
I would not be surprised if this is still very much an 'on the table' rather than a 'done' deal because all the component cost centers would probably need to be self financed because it is highly unlikely that the 'headline' developer/landowner would be able to raise £500 Million on a speculative basis.
Good use of free land though and hopefully jobs for people 
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You know it makes sense.
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It just seems a bit rough around the edges to me.. the video seems a bit un-professional  not to sure about this one..
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, Why are you interested only in those who have a job? |
I'm not, I was just counteracting your tiresome pedantry. You take a swinging guess at a number (which is double the reality) and somehow double it again to arrive at the SnoMirage number of 4.5 million. Normally you are not as daft as this.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Bode Swiller, maybe 4.5 million is the number of people who have tried skiing or snowbaording at some time in the past, rather than any sort of active skier etc ? I know of quite a few that have had few hours on a dry slope and never been again; whilst they coiuld technically be considered as some one who skis, such people could pad-out the number of skiers considerably. They perhaps are best described as the target market for nosnowasis rather than 'skiers/boarders' though
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Now this website makes interesting reading: http://www.snoasisconcern.com/
And oddly the official Snoasis website doesn't have any new press-releases listed since Jan 2009. So I'm not holding my breath... We'll see.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm sure the pond bats could find another pond to live around
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I agree that it would be a wonderful facility if the slope was as long and steep as proposed, sadly however im not sure if the finances stack up and as previously mentioned the presentation looks very amateur.
Nice yes, 2014 probably not.
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ski-finder, It will be long enough to hold Europa cup Slalom races as they do in the other 2 big indoor slopes in Germany & Holland.
It is also going to be the training base for the GB ski team & The British Ski Academy. They have both had consultations to help with what it's facilities will be.
Let's hope it does go ahead, we have been waiting long enough for such a slope, it will only benefit skiing in this country. Plus other winter sports too.
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And oddly the official Snoasis website doesn't have any new press-releases listed since Jan 2009. So I'm not holding my breath... We'll see.
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Wise words wigan, this thing has a bit of previous history on snowHeads since it was first mooted some years ago. Their web sites have always been a bit clanky. (Don't bother with the forum on the current one.)
Try the sH search engine if you are interested.
Still they do at last seem to have obtained planning permission which was one of the major hurdles. Now they need financing - maybe just as difficult nowadays?
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kevindonkleywood,
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dead in the water i afraid.
Good point made about building a 'long' dome on a natural hill, weve got plenty in this country, but unfotunately we also have a large number of NIMBYs and tree huggers!!! as for length, Landgraaf puports to be 520m ever been there??? if thats 520m im a snoasis ahreholder
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Where is the 600m+ slope in Germany?
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ski-finder, click on the link you'll find 2 listed - one being in Bottrop the other near Hamburg.
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iirc, Landgraaf is officially 500m on the straight side (used for Europa cup) and 520m on the curved side.
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You know it makes sense.
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Philbo, you've been there a good few times, i have been twice, I think it is pretty accurate to that
iskar, think you better get your shares purchased 
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