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Have they changed shape over the last few years? From personal experience they seem to have become more "truncated" ie a sharo drop off on the back side. Am I imagining this? Or is it because I am not avoiding them as much as I used to? And what causes it, I suspect a combination of snow boards and fatter skis may be responsible. Any views?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Just twist and scrape with asile on your face 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Lots of variables, more than enough to keep a sedimentologist amused for a while. My perception is that "big" moguls that are left to develop through a sustained dry or low snow period do get very large with very deep troughs below them.
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My observation suggests that moguls are a different shape on the slopes and hills where snowboarders like to play. I associate long ridge-like moguls running down the mountain with our boarding friends, rather than the short, almost conical variety left by skiers. I imagine that's because skis are more nimble than boards in the bumps.
I might be imagining this, though.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Snowboards don't do moguls, so whatever the cause of this mystery, i doubt it can be blamed on boarders.
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| monkey wrote: |
| Snowboards don't do moguls, so whatever the cause of this mystery, i doubt it can be blamed on boarders. |
That's true in Europe. North American boarders are made of sterner stuff, though. I see loads of boarders in the bumps over there.
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Snowboards don't do moguls, so whatever the cause of this mystery, i doubt it can be blamed on boarders.
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Tend to agree (as a boarder).
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Moguls tend to become diamond shaped if used by boarders and agree with jonny jones, although the only day to ski moguls is when they are being formed IMO
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I imagine that's because skis are more nimble than boards in the bumps.
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Probably true but that could because skiers have a more stable platform of two edges most of the time?
Imagine doing it on one ski (only one edge contact all the time). Maybe why you don't see many boarders on the bumps.
I still like to give it a go but after a few slides and crashes the novelty wears off!
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A board in soft bumps is good fun. Not so sure about hard icy ones though I'd probably take the same view on ski's.
PsychoBabble, I think the shape tends depends on the pitch and how hard they have been skied. Bumps on a steeper pitch with lots of skiers form as you say. Less so on shallower pitches.
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I teach skiing and snowboarding here in Val d'Isere and I have taken and taught people in bumps on both... it is totally possible (and assessable part of the examination process) to board moguls.
In the old days of longer straighter skis more skill was required to learn how to pivot skis effectively whilst maintaining balance.... modern technology has meant people can be less skilful yet tackle more challenging terrain then ever before and therefore your average skier on the mountain is not as able to turn a ski in a nicer effective and technically better arc so bumps become cut off on the back as opposed to rounded.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The shape is down to the shape of turns that has formed them, and that is largely governed by the terrain. I remember mogul fields 20 years ago with steeper starts often having sharper drops as more skiers had traversed once the bumps had formed, but then lower down the bumps would get rounder as people got into the rhythm as the gradient decreased. Maybe you are now tackling moguls on steeper terrain so encounter this more often?
I think that ski shape/evolution has made very little difference to bump shape, although there may be fewer shallow bumps fields these days?
In moguls competitions the shape of bumps after a day of training by World Cup athletes is dramatically different to that after a day of training by lower level competitors. This is purely to do with the turn shape and how much people are putting the brakes on.
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Steve Angus, That's an interesting take on it. I can probably agree with it!
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You know it makes sense.
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You are all wrong.
Moguls (from the Latin Moocall) are formed when slow moving herds of cows (hence “moo” call) cannot get down to below the snowline at the start of the winter and are frozen stiff by the first of the winter’s blizzards. Due to global warming, older, fatter cows are now able to stay higher up much longer than they would have been able to do in the past. The occurrence of larger cows under the snow in recent years has been evidenced by the larger, more round shape of the Moguls/MooCalls.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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You are all wrong.
Moguls (from the Latin Moocall) are formed when slow moving herds of cows (hence “moo” call) cannot get down to below the snowline at the start of the winter and are frozen stiff by the first of the winter’s blizzards. Due to global warming, older, fatter cows are now able to stay higher up much longer than they would have been able to do in the past. The occurrence of larger cows under the snow in recent years has been evidenced by the larger, more round shape of the Moguls/MooCalls. |
If I have very noisy kids and im teaching them moguls then I tell them a similar (sort of story).... that they are sleeping bears in their dens and they cannot be too loud otherwise they'll wake up and gobble them alive!!!! haa haa. Usually ensues a quiet few mins.
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| Steve Angus wrote: |
| they are sleeping bears in their dens and they cannot be too loud otherwise they'll wake up and gobble them alive!!!! |
Excelent  - I'll use that in the morning. My 11am to 1pm class this week is a mixture of Italian and English 6 and 7 year olds, your trick should work on them ( I hope )
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| monkey wrote: |
| Snowboards don't do moguls, so whatever the cause of this mystery, i doubt it can be blamed on boarders. |
That's what they said about the global financial crisis...
Yeah boarders. That's right. I'm looking at you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I found some moguls on the red above the Achterjet in Flachau. I felt they were rounder on the steeper top part of the hill and more lozenge shaped further down.
I hadn't considered that boarders didn't do moguls, though I think I can see why it would be difficult. However, if they are difficult for them how do they cope if they arrive half way down a strange piste and a faced with a substantial mogul field?
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| Steve Angus wrote: |
| they are sleeping bears in their dens and they cannot be too loud otherwise they'll wake up and gobble them alive!!!! |
Are you sure? I always said that they're made by little creatures who live under the snow. Closely related to moles, these snow-based cousins are known as mogues - and they make moguehills (aka moguls).
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I hadn't considered that boarders didn't do moguls, though I think I can see why it would be difficult. However, if they are difficult for them how do they cope if they arrive half way down a strange piste and a faced with a substantial mogul field? |
They sit down just below the brow of the hill and chill out with their mates. Just like boarders do everywhere.
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cbr7, Hmmmm,
Lacking a little something to my eye, vs skiing them.
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under a new name, That's some fairly mad skillz though - alpine boards really aren't build for moguls.
The whole boarders don't do moguls thing is bollux however. While I'm sure there aren't many boarders who actively seek them out it's a fair indicator of a difference between someone who is at recreational "holiday" level of skill and a more advanced boarder.
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