 Poster: A snowHead
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The Voice of Reason thread today about developments for Les Arcs Villaroger is typical of French attitude to new ski developments, secretive rumour fuelled and often unannounced. A good example in La Plage was the new Bergerie lift which was only announced when the surveyors pegs appeared in the ground.
Does anyone know the reason, for the lack of information other than the 'official' comments which are often along the lines of 'We have many projects being planned but not all will come to fruition'
Edited to correct do to so in title
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 19-04-10 12:24; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Boredsurfing, yes, that is a noticeable tendency, I agree. I suspect one reason is the extreme local rivalries, with many very crucial decisions being taken much more locally than would be the case in the UK - one of our ski lifts took forever to sort out because the maires of two tiny local villages couldn't agree. So I suppose there's lots going on behind the scenes and nobody wants to show their hand.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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But there again other resorts publish their 10year development plan/ideas for anyone to see if they want.
Doesn't mean it will or won't happen mind.
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| Boredsurfing wrote: |
| The Voice of Reason thread today about developments for Les Arcs Villaroger is typical of French attitude to new ski developments, secretive rumour fuelled and often unannounced. |
any significant mountain development has to go through a complicated set of planning hoops: PPR, PLU, SCOT, UTN, PdC so by very definition can neither be secretive nor unannounced.
Maybe if you rewrote your sentence to:
The Voice of Reason [/b]thread today about developments for Les Arcs Villaroger is typical of UK ski forum's attitudes to new ski developments, secretive, rumour fuelled and often total dangly bits.
it might be more accurate.
I'm not saying that is the case with the VoR thread but there were at least a couple of bits of information that struck me as odd: the lifts won't be "turned off"... they may no longer feature as part of the les Arcs ski pass. Most of the Aiguille Rouge is in a nature reserve it is is unlikely they would even get through the initial stages of the planning process to construct snow making or runs in or close to this zone.
Maybe someone has some land to sell in Villaroger?
Just my thoughts, I might be totally wrong. Val d'Isere has plans to run a telecabine lift right over the Vanoise natural park to Bonneval and this project has local political heavyweight Herve Gaimard behind it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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davidof, Have changed the thread title to be more accurate. Apologies if I stood on anyones toes about highlighting potential investments into Alpine ski resorts. My mistake, I thought this was the appropriate place to bring such information to the masses, even if it is very early days and likely to change considerably....
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davidof, The replacement of the Fornelet chair in Montalbert is a good example, at the begining of the season the rumour was that the existing chair would be relocated to replace the ageing Bauches chair and the Fornelet would become a 6 seat de-mountable this summer.
However, as the season progressed another rumour has emerged that the chair will be replaced by a 'gondola' style lift in 2015.
Presumably the former would need some type of planning approval whilst the latter would require an environmental impact survey and a host of other approvals as it would be new development rather than replacement.
So why no open to the public plan for the future for any developments of lifts in the area as a whole?
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| The Voice of Reason wrote: |
| davidof, Have changed the thread title to be more accurate. Apologies if I stood on anyones toes about highlighting potential investments into Alpine ski resorts. My mistake, I thought this was the appropriate place to bring such information to the masses, even if it is very early days and likely to change considerably.... |
No feel free, what you say in the other thread may be exactly what happens to the letter at Villaroger. I was just pointing out that whatever happens has to follow a defined process and that process is in the public domain.
You should first be able to get hold of the town plans from Villaroger or Bourg St Maurice (PLU or SCOT) to see what is zoned for the area (zoning plans can be changed of course) then you should ask to see the (Unité Touristique Nouvelle) for the sector which should lay out what is planned for the near future (5-10 years).
Any actual building will follow these documents. I guess like any commercial project the people actually involved in the building probably want to keep their plans secret for as long as possible.
If people are looking for where resorts are expanding these are their first points of call. For example Puy St Vincent completed its SCOT a year or two ago and, as well as new beds, it saw the expansion of the ski area with lifts in some existing off piste sectors as you forsee at Villaroger. Montgenevre has a massive expansion plan, currently awaiting a UTN. Val d'Isere is also preparing a UTN for a big push down to Bonneval sur Arc. I can well believe the les Arcs expansion to be true and suggest any investor checks out the existing planning documents to see what is already scheduled.
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| Boredsurfing wrote: |
So why no open to the public plan for the future for any developments of lifts in the area as a whole? |
But did anyone actually ask the town hall or lift company what they plan to do?
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There are also rumours about at least one more lift into Ste Foy......allegedly (or should that be again?)
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The Voice of Reason, any idea of the potential location of the extra chair?
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arv, t'other side of the Marquise, to link in the little village (name escapes me) at the end of that particular trail - also opening up some new runs......
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The Voice of Reason, thanks. More terrain at Sainte Foy without too many extra people would be excellent.
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The Voice of Reason, arv, Bataillettaz is the name of the hamlet, they are also planning to build a large new apartment block between here and the main station starting this summer.
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You know it makes sense.
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Fogliettaz, That's the fella, right there 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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So the rumoured new lift will run from Bataillettaz to the bottom of the Marquise? Or do I have the wrong end of the stick?
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arv, Thats what I have heard as it is a fair trek from Bataillettaz to the bottom lift in the station.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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arv, that's what I understand, but it was quite late in the evening by the time the subject came up
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks guys.
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