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I always end up steering our group when we go skiing and it would be helpful to know which are some of the easier blacks and which are some of the more tricky ones.
For instance, I seem to remember that "marielle" (coming back to Val T from Meribel) is very straightforward.
How would people rate some of the others?
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Grand Couloir - tough
Jockeys to Le Praz, lovely!
dou des lanches Short black under La Tania chair great for a quick blast!
M off Vizelle is nice, can take a tougher route down combe pylones if you wish
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kitenski, thanks, that's helpful. I see that combe pylones is shown as red on the piste map - do you think it tougher than m?
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Ray Zorro, no, Combe Pylones is black, though when I skied it the other week, it was easier (more bashed) than M. I'm not a gnarly skier and I love Suisse - easier than some of the reds eg Mauduit. Both Jockeys and Jean Blanc down to Le Praz are gorgeous, though the snow cover might be iffy at the bottom by now.
I reckon that Marielle Goitschel thing down to VT, which is short and extremely straightforward, has only been designated black to keep the crowds off it.
If the snow is good, the Combe de Rosael down from Cime de Caron towards Orelle is gorgeous. I've also enjoyed Face in Meribel (but not on a warm day) and Lac Noir on La Masse.
skimottaret's website is a mine of useful information about standards of runs in the 3V.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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he the snow is decent the Combe de Caron is brilliant.
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Agree with Hurtle, Goitschel, was our first ever black and was easier than most of the reds in VT 
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Hurtle, ah, interesting, but you (and Greg) are right. My map is a couple of years old and Combe Pylones is shown red on that one, but on this year's it is black. Must be a marginal one then.
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Ray Zorro,
Easier:
Chanrossa, Courchevel
Bartavelle, Meribel
Ecureuil, Meribel
Face, Meribel
Masse, Les Menuires
More Difficult:
Suisses, Courchevel
Bosses, Meribel
Grand Couloir, Courchevel
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I guess the other thing is M can be bashed and lovely at the top and have large moguls about halfway down, all depending on the time of the day and how soft the snow is!
The map here lists them as black, your probably seeing combe saulire as the red, which I'd personally avoid as it funnels lots of folk down it! BTW another tip you can get over onto M from the top of the Saulire lift if you get some speed up on the track...
http://www.courchevel.com/editorial.php?Rub=267
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The map here lists them as black, your probably seeing combe saulire as the red, which I'd personally avoid as it funnels lots of folk down it!
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Although if you can get to it first thing in the morning after it's been groomed, and is still empty, it can be one of the best runs in the 3V
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Ray Zorro, dont forget the snowhead challenge for the fastest group descent of the red Campagnol run off Mont Vallon
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Patch, yeh as is Folyeres (sp) down to La tania if you can time it when it's been groomed, and if spring, has softened ever so slightly!!
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You know it makes sense.
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I do fancy trying the runs to La Tania or La Praz as I haven't been there before - but are they reachable from Val T?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Ray Zorro, It's the three vallees, everything is reachable from everywhere
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Poster: A snowHead
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Ray Zorro, yes easily. Do take them to 1650 and do the superb reds, Rochers and Chapelet.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Frosty the Snowman,
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the superb reds, Rochers and Chapelet.
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I love those! Especially good to do on a hot afternoon, when many other places have turned to mush.
skimottaret, I'd already advertised you!
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skimottaret, thanks - already printed that (plus another file) after Hurtle's recommendation.
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Ray Zorro, there were no bumps when I went down!  With no bumps it's a really nice run.
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Another vote for Suisses from me - though it is mogulled at the moment the bumps weren't too gnarly. M was also in great nick last week.
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suissses is an easy gradient but gets a lot of traffic and gets icy quickly... like all the blacks mentioned it is really dependent on conditions. bosses for instance was quite tame the other week..
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The reason Suisses gets so much traffic is that it is easy. Lots of moguls but as the gradient is red then it is skiable in all conditions.
Ray Zorro, If you see a mobile buried near M it is Shimmys from last year. 
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Suisses was relatively easy a couple of weeks ago when it had just been bashed. Dou des Lanches was a lovely short one as well.
Turcs looked more commonly mogulled.
Sanglier (Meribel), OH said wasn't great, although largely due to snow conditions - lumps of ice!
Tetras (Meribel from Courchevel) sounds like it gets very icy.
Ecureil was nice as was Grand Rosiere (also Meribel).
Didn't manage to get to the blacks in VT.
The hardest piste I did was Combe Saulire, as it is the most obvious way back from Meribel to Courchevel unless you download by lift. At 4.30 it's usually pretty bumpy (but soft as it's bashed every day), busy, and faces the wrong way so the light was pretty flat every time I did it. Does make bumps more entertaining you hit them with no idea how large they are!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Marielle Goitschel thing down to VT, which is short and extremely straightforward, has only been designated black to keep the crowds off it.
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is that before or after Frosty's Removal Services have installed the fridge-freezer sized moguls on the top bit
(IIRC there are two alternative routes at the top of Goitschel, one without moguls and one with?)
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Yoda, didn't spot any moguls at all the other week. But it's very true that all these comments are dependent on conditions at the time. Also, I am notoriously unobservant. 
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You know it makes sense.
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Randomsabreur, absolutely agree about Combe de Saulire.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Yoda, didn't spot any moguls at all the other week. But it's very true that all these comments are dependent on conditions at the time. Also, I am notoriously unobservant. |
Absolutely agree that (my comments at least) are dependant on conditions, and in particular, degree of mogulling. My catagorisation above was based on my perception of "typical" mogul conditions on these runs (based on 50-60 days a season in the 3V)
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| I reckon that Marielle Goitschel thing down to VT, which is short and extremely straightforward, has only been designated black to keep the crowds off it. |
Try doing the whole run - it starts from the top of 3 Valleys 2, and between there and the crossing point (from Bouquetin/Les Menuires/Mottaret) are some HUGE moguls. Well, there were the year I tried it. About a metre between trough and peak, I'd say...
Of course, piste conditions vary...
From there on, yes, it's just a dark red, and not that dark either. Maybe the graders wanted to be sure that people didn't ignore Pluviometre - one of the loveliest runs in VT IMHO.
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OK so I didn't spot what Yoda wrote earlier. Hurtle pass me an application for the Unobservant Club please
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FAQ
I remember going down marmottes first and missing out the bumps and just doing the bottom half and that made it dead easy - but I am assuming you are talking about the bumps as well? So you thought it easy(ish) 
