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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mr Goldsmith, I presume. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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No, it's one of my agency staff
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
Ernst Goldsmith, how many sock puppets do you - the brave campaigner against anonymity on the internet have now?  |
If I could answer that - on behalf of Ernst Goldsmith - there is no particular issue here, since there is no anonymity. I am more a nom de plume than an anonymous troll, sockpuppet or 'straw man'. You clearly have considerable experience of the world of internet forums and can tell the difference.
| stoatsbrother wrote: |
To all other snowheads - you may not be aware that we have previously done this one to death |
That seems a rather unfortunate phrase, in the circumstances. The argument for avalanche cords is hardly dead, and there are always people fresh to skiing and off-piste skiing who can work out their own solutions.
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FFS Earnest, if you're going to do this sort of thing you might put some effort into being a bit less transparent.
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| George W. Bash wrote: |
| there is no particular issue here, since there is no anonymity. I am more a nom de plume than an anonymous troll, sockpuppet or 'straw man'. |
The same goes for many of those whose 'anonymity' you habitually complain about. For example, I'm known personally by a few snowHeads - and I don't even attend bashes or other sH-organised events.
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But I've never complained about you. It's only an issue when anonymity is used to air dirty and untrue laundry about other people, and that sort of thing.
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| I'm known personally by a few snowHeads |
Alternative responses to that remark:
"Would you care to name these people please" or
"Thank you. In that case, you are most welcome to the Athaeneum Club"
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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George W. Bash, or when people disagree with you in an effective manner?
Posting under two different names in a single thread outside the AZ is - in my opinion - pathetic and pointless and potentially confusing to those snowHeads who don't know what you are up to.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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What a douche!
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clarky999, sadly yes. Let's try again:
Finding a needle in a haystack isn't easy, but it can be easier if it's ...
... tied to a length of bright red thread.
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You know it makes sense.
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Ah but that was David Goldsmith not George W Bash or the abysmal punheador whatever the latest moniker is.
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Mon 22-03-10 11:18; edited 1 time in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Dude you know I was talking about you.
To be fair it's an interesting topic (to me at least), I just can't understand why you'd create a new profile to start it though, that's for scitzophrenics(sp?) and loosers...
Have you seen the avalanche balls though? like an avalanche cord but wih a big red ball on the end, you attach it to your backpack and fire it (by pulling a strap) if you get caught... looked like a good idea, I nearly bought on on ebay a while back, until the price rocketed.
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Poster: A snowHead
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George W. Bash, (or Earnest, or whatever you're calling yourself today): if you want to tie string to your feet, you go right ahead and do so - no-one's stopping you. (Though what use it could possibly be in London I don't know, but each to his own.) But why keep banging on about the same tedious old garbage on a forum where everyone's heard it all before and no-one's interested? What's the point?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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clarky999, there have been various things like that which supposedly float better than a cord. But I imagine that a low-density strong cord will float well anyway. Essentially it's the least complicated solution. The longer is it (within reason) the greater the chance that a bit of cord will be visible on the snow surface, or be found with an initial dig/search.
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| I just can't understand why you'd create a new profile to start it though, that's for scitzophrenics(sp?) and loosers... |
I've been called worse than a schizophrenic loser on this forum before now. Thanks for the relative compliment.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| But why keep banging on about the same tedious old garbage on a forum where everyone's heard it all before and no-one's interested? |
I should think it's a couple of years since we've discussed avalanche cords. If you don't want to discuss them, nobody's forcing you.
Since that time, more people have died - perhaps avoidably - because they've not been found in time. Some of these people may not have wished to invest in a transceiver, but might be alive today if they'd had an avalanche cord tied to them.
It's just a theory.
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Dont bite and dont respond to his threads its that easy ! We all know he now has 1398 logins.
His latest George W. Bash, only started this weekend and he already has 31 posts - it will double each day as his addiction sets in and then he'll change it once again...................................bored !
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Smokin Joe, Yep -- time for you to start flagging the opposite of "snowHeads Gold" I think. 
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stoatsbrother, aye - snowHeads dangly bits !
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You people should acknowledge the fact that hundreds or thousands of people will have joined this forum since avalanche cords were last discussed.
Before shouting out the subject, for no good reason, at least let a discussion commence.
Avalanche cords disappeared from manufacture/sale for no clear reason. Maybe they should be sold in combination with every transceiver, since no single solution works all the time in every situation.
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George W. Bash, Ok - let's start that thread when you actually show us a single bit of evidence that Avalanche Cords are effective for skiers.
In order that other posters can understand where you are coming from, and your expertise (other than your huge and admired knowledge of the history of skiing), I think you should also:
1) Please tell us whether you ski with a shovel and probe when skiing off piste.
2) Tell us if you have skied off-Piste in the last 5 years.
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Well, of course a length of bright red (potentially fluorescent) cord visible on the snow is going to help enormously, if it has succeeded in floating on the surface of debris.
As for my credentials, don't be ridiculous. I've skied since 1959, including extensive off-piste on four continents. Even if I hadn't, the 'credentials game' would be ridiculous. This is a simple logical argument.
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Your whole negative argument against cords seems to be based on a certainty that they would be buried as deeply as the victim. Even if the cord is fully buried it might well be found in an erroneous dig, thus immediately boosting the search potential and reducing the recovery time .... especially if a proximity indicator on the cord shows that the victim is nearby.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| George W. Bash wrote: |
| an erroneous dig |
riiiight
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Ok - let's start that thread when you actually show us a single bit of evidence that Avalanche Cords are effective for skiers.
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Hook, line, sinker, half the jetty and a narrow escape for the fisherman. Come on, you should know better.
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You know it makes sense.
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stoatsbrother, but do you really care whether or not he thinks you agree with him? Let's face it, he's just some random delusional loony who likes to spend his time spamming internet forums - he's hardly either important or influential.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Sorry, I'm not going to blow a few thousand quid on some ski trips to qualify myself to have a discussion with you. You'd probably insist that I go to Jackson Hole and bungee jump into Corbett's Couloir or something.
You're now advancing desperate arguments in the second para. Yes - an avalanche cord could conceivably strangle me, like my mother's umbilical cord.
The third para is totally irrelevant. We are talking potentially about an individual skier, going off-piste but maybe surrounded by other skiers. An avalanche victim can potentially be dug out with bare hands - how many people carry shovels anyway? And, yes, obviously it's public-spirited or reasonable for skiers to carry shovels, if they expect equivalent rescue from others.
This is not about my credentials, my responsibilities to others, your insistence on 'getting personal' or anything else.
It's about whether or not a long length of bright red cord (not string, for heaven's sake) could save a life or a hundred lives. It's high time there was a fresh evaluation of the concept with modern materials and creativity towards solving the stowage problem.
Please stick to facts and objective argument. We sometimes find important stuff by following trails of blood on surfaces - same difference.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stoatsbrother,
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we know that DEG sometimes interprets lack of counter-argument as agreement
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I've never understood why this actually matters.
Oh, sorry, just seen that Lizzard has effectively said the same thing.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks. All female intuition and intelligence welcome.
I'm convinced that there's a Freudian side to this cord/life/survival/discovery thing.
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| George W. Bash wrote: |
Avalanche cords disappeared from manufacture/sale for no clear reason. |
International conspiracy. See also 9/11, death of Princess Di etc.
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davidof, Thanks. Brilliant.
George W. Bash, once you have read that would you like to retract your statement that para. 2 of this invoked "desperate arguments"? I suspect somehow you won't! 
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George W. Bash, funny how you disappear when proven wrong... 
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David is at liberty to disagree with the article. Dale Atkins is a pretty well known avalanche expert but I will point out that he works for Recco.
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I realised who this was when I read the OP, but I found the concept interesting and I hadn't seen it discussed before. Sorry stoatsbrother, I'm going to humor him for the moment, and you do know I am sympathetic to your cause re: DG on many occasions, but I only want a small discussion out of it and this isn't about Tamsin Conditions for once. My immediate thought was this sounded a similar concept to using a powder ribbon to find a ski that is lost whilst Off Piste. In fact if a skier caught off piste in an avalanche was using a powder ribbon I guess there is a chance that this would deploy in a similar manner if it didn't break as I guess most skiers would loose their skis in an avalanche. I would imagine that breakage would be the biggest problem though and could lead to false searches and wasted time only to find a broken cord end and the buried skier 300 ft away. I wonder if a dye cannister which would break on impact would be any use in leaving a trail that would lead to a skier.............................................
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Megamum, that might be a better idea.
Or we could fit the skier with a direction finding radio system detectable at 40 to 70m
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