 Poster: A snowHead
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I have just got some new skis off Ebay. Fischer progressor 7+. I have never tested them but they do look nice in the box 
On the centre of the mounting plate is a little device that looks as though it will allow me to easily move the bindings forward or back by 15MM.
In what circumstances, or upon which skiing symptoms, would I benefit from moving the bindings either way ?
Mike
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Back for powder and forward for piste skiing, in the middle for all-round.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Standard for piste, back for freeride, forward (ie centre) for (proper) freestyle.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Thu 11-02-10 11:33; edited 1 time in total
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Forward easier to initiate turns, back for stability at speed etc.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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forward if you want to carve well on piste back if you dont mind skidding a lot.. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally
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Hopefully there's a middle? I'd keep it centre always unless you're experienced enough to know a specific reason you might want something else. 
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I think leave it as is.
Interesting this. It has been proven I think that mm matter to the World Cup racers.
Does a mere 15mm either way matter to the average skier?
I mean would you really notice if your skis were set up slightly differently this way.
micky forgive me, I'm not trying to be sarky here.
I am really curious.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| forward if you want to carve well on piste back if you dont mind skidding a lot.. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally |
Never had tip dive? 
The main reason the advice sucks is that I'd guess the Fischer progressor ranks pretty low down their range for powder domination.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| .. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally |
Why?
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15mm forwards for big bum, 15mm back for big moobs
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| DB wrote: |
| skimottaret wrote: |
| .. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally |
Why? |
'Coz it makes all your 'turns' into wedelns?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Is that Austrian slang for a sh**** turn ?
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| micky wrote: |
| Is that Austrian slang for a "weasel with a bum itch" turn ? |
Yes.
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You know it makes sense.
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DB, what i see is it puts people in an aft balance state and they end up sittin back skiing with retraction turns when in deeper snow and when on piste pushing the heels and skid checking and as comprex, says mincy wedelening... personally i prefer to be set up in balance as best i can and then adapt for snow and terrain...
what slikedges says is right but IMO it doesnt matter whether you are on piste or off. if you have big moobs or bum sort that out first and then see if you still want to play with fore aft binding location
yes a wee bit back can help if all you are doing is deep snow skiing it may help a tad with tip dive but the main cause of tip diving is due to being out of balance. i think too many fat ski converts forget you can happily ski deep snow with the tips submerged occassionally if you are in balance. the tips dont always have to be planing out of the snow to make turns...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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My RX8's had this, as i always had them on piste always used them in the forward position. In the centre position they felt unbalanced and would not engage the tip as easily, and just seemed slow to start the turn, only tried right back once, for 1 run.........it was not good.
I do however have very small boots, so most centre marks put me back from the average skier BOF place on the ski...but that is another topic.
another skier with the same skis on a course i did also found them best in the forward position.
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Poster: A snowHead
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skimottaret,
Thanks for that. Have various pairs of skis (most of them old) and the bindings appear to be mounted at different positions. (When lined up some have more tail than others). The skis with the bindings mounted further back tend to be a lot easier in the pow but not as good on-piste. One pair of wide skis do however suffer from tip dive (stiff shovel) so was thinking of moving the binding back. It's a twin tip park ski and it being mounted on or forward of the mark is probably too far forward for powder.
I suspect for many people finding the one right position that suits them for all conditions (e.g. as carroz above) is the best solution. Others will change fore/aft binding position to suit conditions.
Link on binding position ....
http://homeboyski.com/2008/03/01/how-to-decide-the-right-binding-mounting-point-on-todays-skis-especially-k2-boards/
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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DB, agree with all that.. another thing to add to this debate is delta angle of the binding set up. I personally think this makes way more difference than fore aft location.
carroz, boot size makes a big difference as you rightly point out... there is very little written about that subject and it does make a big difference... +-15mm can be easily taken up by boot lenghts...
if anyone wants to get ultra geeky on this subject have a look at http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=52322#1241101
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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my scott punishers, that i don't reaaly use, have a 70mm range of marked binding positions. Initially had them set forward by the shop, not my decision, and off piste they sucked, really had to get the weight back to keep floating, not nice. The forward position is for freestyle, so more balanced going switch, sideways on rails, jumps. I had the binding moved back, all they way, 70mm (boot center), again not quite what I asked for, bloody shop. Much better off piste but now whenever i take some air or just get bounced on a bump I've got to really react to keep the front of the skis down, as my weight is too far back. There's a sweet spot somewhere but i've shelved the punishers in favor of my 8 year old pocket rockets, which this season sport fritschi freeride binding and are lush for off piste. So yes the binding position certainly makes a difference.
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| fatbob wrote: |
| skimottaret wrote: |
| forward if you want to carve well on piste back if you dont mind skidding a lot.. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally |
Never had tip dive? |
if you are experiencing tip dive get longer skis and be balanced on them correctly as opposed to short skis that you sit back on.... (i would even advocate fatter skis if tips are diving a lot! )
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| fatbob wrote: |
| skimottaret wrote: |
| forward if you want to carve well on piste back if you dont mind skidding a lot.. i think the back for powder advice sucks personally |
Never had tip dive? |
if you are experiencing tip dive get longer skis and be balanced on them correctly as opposed to short skis that you sit back on.... (i would even advocate fatter skis if tips are diving a lot! ) |
A softer ski (esp. a softer shovel) helps prevent tip dive. e.g. Tried Pocket Rockets and Head Madtrix Mojo in same length with almost the exact same tip, waist & Tail dimensions. The PR's floated very well whereas the Mojos tend to dive.
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