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Im an intermediate skier and want to try snowblading or skiboarding whatever its called. Ive been looking at the Salomon Axess 120's and the Rossignol Freez'b 118 but have been warned that these are too long and too thin and it is a big mistake?
I would rather speed over tricks but still want to be able to do everything and releasable bindings is a must. Also dont really want to go smaller than 99. If they arn't the right ones to buy which are and where from? I dont really want to spend much more than £150 for them with bindings.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm was a intermediate skier and two years ago I was talked into trying snowblades, I now have lost my confidence to get back on ski's, whats the best thing to do? should i just rent ski's next time (morzine in jan 2008) and make a prat of myself? or am stuck on blades forever!! 
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tilly, skis amd lessons
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Stemondo NONE 
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The problem is i hated ski school!! but i know you are right. :roll
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oh and I forgot to say in my opinion don't buy! just rent! stay on ski's!
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Lizzard meet graeme, graeme meet Lizzard.
Seconds out, round 1.
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ding ding 
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Obviously not many people like snowblades here but could someone tell me why?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Stemondo wrote: |
Im an intermediate skier and want to try snowblading or skiboarding whatever its called. Ive been looking at the Salomon Axess 120's and the Rossignol Freez'b 118 but have been warned that these are too long and too thin and it is a big mistake?
I would rather speed over tricks but still want to be able to do everything and releasable bindings is a must. Also dont really want to go smaller than 99. If they arn't the right ones to buy which are and where from? I dont really want to spend much more than £150 for them with bindings.
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You've answered your own question. If you want to try blades, hire them, don't buy. If you want to ski a shorter ski there are plenty of brands out there that will ski like a ski should wilst also been short.
No I'm not going to plug Icelantics......oh crap.....just did 
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If you just want to try snowblading/skiboarding then rent, no point buying without trying them first. The skis you have mentioned Stemondo are actually "mini-skis" rather than true skiboards (which are defined as being <1m long I think). There aren't many true skiboards with full-release alpine bindings. Salomon Snowblades maybe?
I have used the Rossi FreeZB mini-skis for a few days and they were a good laugh, and certainly helped sharpen up my ski technique in certain respects. I didn't take them into the park so I can't tell you whether they are any good for tricks. I wouldn't use them all the time tho, great through moguls, but they just don't run in a schuss. Mini-skis are easy to find in resort hire shops.
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Think I know someone with a pair of Salomon's for sale if you insist
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You know it makes sense.
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| Stemondo wrote: |
| Obviously not many people like snowblades here but could someone tell me why? |
I don't have anything against snowblades per se (I own a pair, although rarely use them), but where I mostly ski there are a far higher proportion of people who are out of control on blades than on snowboards or skis. Because of the nature of snowblades it's possible to get around the mountain without really having to develop much technique or control (they are so easy to skid sideways that most people seem to go down the piste on them in sharp zigzags, often at inappropriately high speeds). So it's not so much snowblades I have a problem with, but a large proportion of snowbladers, as they pose a risk to other slope users. Having said that, a good skier on blades who is carving tight turns and getting great angles is a joy to watch 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Absolutely some of them if not most are totally unable to control them selves especially at the speed they get up to........seems to be a large number of young french that are the worst
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Poster: A snowHead
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after having a laugh with graeme on this topic, skiboards are the thingys (snowblades old hat) by all account, although try the 165 versions 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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...my wife (having broken her wrist) shared a hospital room in Moutier with a lady who vowed never ever to use blades again and when her husband came in with her blades .....
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rayscoops wrote: |
| after having a laugh with graeme on this topic, skiboards are the thingys (snowblades old hat) by all account, although try the 165 versions |
what is the difference between snowblades and snowboards, other than one seems to be a trade name used by Rossi (?) when they started selling their 99cm blade thingys? Aren't they all just short skis of various configurations in just the same way as slalom, GS, DH, twintip, etc are all just variations on a theme?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| rayscoops wrote: |
| after having a laugh with graeme on this topic, skiboards are the thingys (snowblades old hat) by all account, although try the 165 versions |
what is the difference between snowblades and snowboards, other than one seems to be a trade name used by Rossi (?) when they started selling their 99cm blade thingys? Aren't they all just short skis of various configurations in just the same way as slalom, GS, DH, twintip, etc are all just variations on a theme? |
snowblades is a trademark of salomon not rossi. below was copied from skiboardsonline:
Width - The width of the salomon's are one of the worst things about them. They are very skinny compared to other boards. What does this do terminally to the ride? It makes it harder to float in soft snow, slush, and powder. It also makes for a slower ride because you have less surface area, so your weight is more directly pressed down, slowing the ride.
Binding - Salomon binding are notoriously poor compared to other bindings, especially all metal ones like the bombers, snojam extremes, and the old line bindings. The salomon's are made of soft plastic that, in my experiences and others, is notorious for pre-release at inappropriate times. I've had salomons come off while i was in the air several times.
Binding Position - Salomon doesn't center their bindings like most quality skiboards have. This affects the ride in many ways. One big factor is that it leaves much less board behind you to act as a safety cushion if you start leaning back. Get a little off balance, and you're on your ass. It also affects carving, and makes it much more difficult to ride backwards.
Tip/Tail Size - Being as skiboards are short, a high tip and tail is necessary to be able to power through some of the crud that is in the way. Without reasonable tips, you're much more prone to taking a faceplant forward, or land on the back of your head if riding backwards. Salomon traditionally has smaller tips than most boards, and tiny tails in comparassion.
Foam Core - No how far foam cores have come along, their use in skiboards is far from excellent. . Foam cores just don't have the strength that wood cores have. At least in my experience, they are far much more prone to breaking, and tend to give a softer feel that doesn't let you control the ride as well.
asfor what should you buy, i have summit customs 110's and hagan off limit 133's. my summits have non release bomber bindings, which give fantastic performance, my hagans are fitted with frischi freeride at bindings (releaseable). revel8 alp 110's are very good boards also. i have also heard good reports about the icelantic scouts. why not hire in resort to see if you like them first, i personally would avoid the salomons and rossis, maybe try the head version. have you thought about buying second hand from ebay, the old line boards where supposed to be very good, a set of line mick nick pros would cost around £90, you could have releaseable bindings fitted to them.
dont listenb to any crap about being limited on the short boards, yes some of the crappy boards like the salomons are no good off piste, or in the deeper stuff. but all the boards i have are all mountain boards, the summit customs where perfect in knee deep powder, the hagans will be even better i hope
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Having said that, a good skier on blades who is carving tight turns and getting great angles is a joy to watch
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so you saw me then???
i agree that there a lot of fools out of control on snowblades. i am not one of them..lol
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There aren't many true skiboards with full-release alpine bindings. Salomon Snowblades maybe?
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you can buy any of the true skiboards with releasable alpine bindings. salomon are not true skiboards.....lol
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did i mention that statistics prove that skiboarding is the safest form of sliding around on snow
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| graeme wrote: |
| snowblades is a trademark of salomon not rossi. below was copied from skiboardsonline: |
Thanks. It's as I thought: no fundamental difference between snowblades and skiboards. Different name for essentially the same product, in the same way as I would use the name "skis" for a pair of Atomic DH skis straight from their race department as well as for a lightweight pair of beginner's rental skis.
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Thanks. It's as I thought: no fundamental difference between snowblades and skiboards. Different name for essentially the same product, in the same way as I would use the name "skis" for a pair of Atomic DH skis straight from their race department as well as for a lightweight pair of beginner's rental skis.
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sorry there is a huge difference between skiboards and snowblades, anyone that has ridden both will verify this, snowblades are crap, total crap
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Is it the same survey you quote
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well until someone else post a different survey proving something else, then this one will stand
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Where is the cheapest site to buy summit custom 110's or spruce 120's then?
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You know it makes sense.
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| graeme wrote: |
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Thanks. It's as I thought: no fundamental difference between snowblades and skiboards. Different name for essentially the same product, in the same way as I would use the name "skis" for a pair of Atomic DH skis straight from their race department as well as for a lightweight pair of beginner's rental skis.
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sorry there is a huge difference between skiboards and snowblades, anyone that has ridden both will verify this, snowblades are crap, total crap |
There's also a huge difference between a pair of beginners skis and a pair of race department slalom skis, but they are still called skis. I've always found it curious when some people who say they are skiboarders take great offense when it is said that they are on snowblades. To me, and I suspect most people who take part in winter sports, snowblades has become a generic term for short skis, regardless of geometry, construction, binding type or gnarly graphics.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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but put my boards beside a pair of snowblades and the differences become very apparent. in the world of the skiboard, snowblades are renowned as crap, most peoples views of skiboards are based on haven ridden snowblades. skiboarders are constantly told there hardwear is inferior based on this
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| graeme wrote: |
| but put my boards beside a pair of snowblades and the differences become very apparent. |
Put my race department GS skis next to a pair of Pocket Rockets and the difference is also very apparent, but I really don't care if someone describes both pairs as skis and me as a skier. As I said earlier, it's not the hardware I have a problem with, it's too many of the people aboard it. Without exception I have no idea whether they are on Snowblades or skiboards - they are just short skis to me and, I suspect, most other people on snowHeads.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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so what about the dickheads on skis?? there are idiots sliding around on snow on blades/boards/skis/sledges, why single out the skiboarders. if skiboarders are causng more problems then please back this up with evidence, not just your biased oppinion
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You don't want skiboards you want miniskis! Viva le Wedz'
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| graeme wrote: |
| so what about the dickheads on skis?? there are idiots sliding around on snow on blades/boards/skis/sledges, why single out the skiboarders. if skiboarders are causng more problems then please back this up with evidence, not just your biased oppinion |
Plenty of dickheads on skis, and on snowboards. In my experience (and I have never claimed it as anything else) there are a higher proportion of dickheads on short skis than there are on "normal" skis or snowboards. This seems to be especially the case in les Arcs for some reason, compared to other places I often ski such as Tignes/Val or 3 Vallees. Have you got a statistic to prove that snowbladers are, on average, technically more proficient than other slope users, as well as being safer?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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it was the same when snowboards started to become popular, skiers where moaning then aswell. you will get idiots in all sports
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there are a higher proportion of dickheads on short skis than there are on "normal" skis or snowboards
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well you will have evidence of this.
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Have you got a statistic to prove that snowbladers are, on average, technically more proficient than other slope users
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no, but then again i have never claimed that have i
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| graeme wrote: |
| This seems to be especially the case in les Arcs for some reason |
one word: ski évolutif
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| graeme wrote: |
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there are a higher proportion of dickheads on short skis than there are on "normal" skis or snowboards
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well you will have evidence of this.
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Only firsthand observations from the last three or four seasons, so not exactly evidence which would stand peer review. Other people's mileage may vary (although I have a fair amount of mileage over those three or four seasons).
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| graeme wrote: |
| This seems to be especially the case in les Arcs for some reason |
one word: ski évolutif |
I've thought that might account for it, but the people on snowblades that I think are most dangerous seem very new to skiing, so probably will have no idea that Les Arcs has long been associated with ski évolutif. They just strap on a set of blades and point themsleves down the hill, using gravity and hockey stops only.
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there are a higher proportion of dickheads on short skis than there are on "normal" skis or snowboards
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well you will have evidence of this.
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Only firsthand observations from the last three or four seasons, so not exactly evidence which would stand peer review. Other people's mileage may vary (although I have a fair amount of mileage over those three or four seasons). |
come on, at least when i stated skiboards where safer i provided evidence (current or not). 
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