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I've been left a little bit confused after a few days off piste coaching a couple of years ago.
At one point we were asked to ski down a short section on piste doing short turns while being observed.
The comments that came back were interesting - apparently I ski very old school, I think that was mostly because I tended to use a lot of vertical movement which is something I've been trying to tame.
What I was asked to work on at the time was to keep the upper body turning with the ski and use less counter. This was encouraged in all types of turn.
My normal style on piste is to face straight down the fall line on short turns with progressively less counter as the turns get wider.
Where I've become a bit confused is whether the advice to turn with the skis is something that was intended as an off piste technique only or is it something I should try to adopt on piste.
I've found aligning more with the ski of benefit off piste but am at a loss to see any advantage on firm snow.
Any thoughts?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Of course you're going to keep /some/ counter in every turn. On piste and off: the duality is false.
The point is to learn to feel out what the _minimum_ necessary amount of counter is given the specific ski you're on, given the turn shape you're trying to make, given the snow conditions, and to make anything more than that a conscious choice.
I merely reckon they were trying to break you out of the habit of automatically creating big counter regardless of all those factors.
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| rich wrote: |
| face straight down the fall line on short turns |
ever played with facing /diagonally/ to the fall line on short turns, i.e. intentionally skewing your direction of travel to the fall line?
If so, is the counter you create while doing this symmetrical?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Makes sense what you say.
| comprex wrote: |
ever played with facing /diagonally/ to the fall line on short turns, i.e. intentionally skewing your direction of travel to the fall line?
If so, is the counter you create while doing this symmetrical? |
Not as a deliberate exercise. My guess is that the counter wouldn't be symmetrical, not sure where this is going 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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david@mediacopy, great thread. I'm no mathematician (far from it  ) but V8's explanation makes sense even to me.
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Maybe our instructor had a bit of Swiss in him.
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I would still assume that in steep skiing and in narrow couloirs one should always keep the upper body facing down the slope (as Remi Lecluse confirmed to me last year).
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| snowball wrote: |
| I would still assume that in steep skiing and in narrow couloirs one should always keep the upper body facing down the slope (as Remi Lecluse confirmed to me last year). |
snap for me, upper body tracks the skis in all other situations IMHO
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comprex, well perhaps no revelation, but I'm not sure what you mean by "Spending all that energy just to follow the same line as a dropped football would". Is this an attack on skiing down the fall line - long touted as what "experts" should do (?) I have, however, heard various people say that countering is now out of date. I just wanted to point out that it is only "out of date" in some circumstances.
(As you know I don't really ski pistes, except to get somewhere when there is no off-piste alternative, so I must confess I'm not fully au fait with what goes on there or what current teaching is).
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| snowball wrote: |
| (As you know I don't really ski pistes, except to get somewhere when there is no off-piste alternative, so I must confess I'm not fully au fait with what goes on there or what current teaching is). |
Good skiing on piste shouldn't be much different to good skiing off-piste. Maybe a bit less need for jump turns and massive traverses, but otherwise pretty similar.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rob@rar, yes, I had thought so. I was responing to comprex's "on piste" remarks.
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| snowball wrote: |
| Is this an attack on skiing down the fall line - long touted as what "experts" should do (?) |
It is an attack on short turns down the fall line being the epitome of expert piste skiing, yes.
So long as that idea exists, intermediates will continue to throw their skis into highly countered braking poses, just for the sake of the look of the thing.
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