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brian
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Helbronner looks like a hotspot this season
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brian, just making the most of the Mont Blanc Unlimited pass!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I heard Courmayer was best for intermediates. Nice photos ... again. I really need to get my car started.
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Epic pics!
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bobinch, Nice !
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Fantastic views up there. I didn't ski as it's all off piste but worth going up just for the views.
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Envy level reached new highs!
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Bad ass....
Really should make a point of going to ski Hellbroner one day.
Looks like a lot of fun.
The first couloir photo is a belter.
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| Swirly wrote: |
| I heard Courmayer was best for intermediates. Nice photos ... again. I really need to get my car started. |
Loads of big off-piste from the top of the main Courmayer mountain too. The tiny top lift only accesses off piste (like the Valluga top lift at St Anton) and used to only allow people with guides up it (unless they didn't take their skis), though someone told me they have relaxed that rule now (can someone confirm?).
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Wed 10-02-10 12:23; edited 1 time in total
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snowball, last time I was there, it was very relaxed. The piste skiers turned back and went back down again which was sensible of them. They only had a few signs which didn't do much good. It was ok for those with the sense to realise it was an undertaking but I felt a bit uncomfortable that they weren't more discerning about who they let up.
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You can access good off-piste without going up the top lift, but most of that is an undertaking too - going very far from the piste areas.
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You know it makes sense.
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bobinch, very nice us usual. Have just booked a week in Courmayeur in March with Mrs Norris. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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One of the best lift accessed terrain around. Nice work man.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| PinoP wrote: |
| snowball, last time I was there, it was very relaxed. The piste skiers turned back and went back down again which was sensible of them. They only had a few signs which didn't do much good. It was ok for those with the sense to realise it was an undertaking but I felt a bit uncomfortable that they weren't more discerning about who they let up. |
PinoP, there's another lift *past* the lift that serves the highest piste. Bothe serve some off-piste terrain, but it was the very top lift that was only accessible with a guide. Fromthere, for instance, you can ski a route that comes out on the access road to La Thuile, from where you can get a bus back to COurmayeur if you time it right.
snowball, I was there two seasons ago and the rule had been relaxed then. Didn;t ski it personally but my ski buddy had done so.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Anyone have details of the bus timetable between La Thuile and Courmayeur - as was planning on the off piste off the back of Courmayeur,
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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norris, Off hand no, but the ladies in the tourist office were super helpful when we went in. I recall they ran every couple of hours so make sure yo get your timing right or you could be in for a long wait!
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nbt, thanks will check it out as the webistes are all rather useless!!
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norris, looks like there are fewer buses than I thought - couple each way at each end of the day, one at lunch. Be very careful with your timing!
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nbt, yep that lunchtime one is the key i suspect otherwise Mrs Norris might be hitting me with her board rather hard!
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Not all the routes from the top require a bus back. One simply involves a (fairly) short walk along a road. There are other ways down that turn right and go off the back into a huge bowl (and can be accessed at a lower level over the back, from the top of the previous lift). Those end on a very long path you have to pole and skate along till you arrive at a lift. But it's worth it. Alternatively another good off piste run, which arrives at a lift, starts also from the top of the previous lift and begins with a long traverse across the obvious big bowl, keeping as much height as you can and going over the ridge (might need a tiny climb up). This goes down a big slope and then along beside a stream in a tight valley (you can see it very clearly as you go up the main cable car from Courmayeur).
Obviously any of these require knowledge of off-piste avalanche danger (or, better, a guide).
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snowball, Looking at this map you mean the dotted runs, for example over the col d'arp
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| PinoP wrote: |
| snowball, last time I was there, it was very relaxed. The piste skiers turned back and went back down again which was sensible of them. They only had a few signs which didn't do much good. It was ok for those with the sense to realise it was an undertaking but I felt a bit uncomfortable that they weren't more discerning about who they let up. |
PinoP, there's another lift *past* the lift that serves the highest piste. Bothe serve some off-piste terrain, but it was the very top lift that was only accessible with a guide. Fromthere, for instance, you can ski a route that comes out on the access road to La Thuile, from where you can get a bus back to COurmayeur if you time it right.
snowball, I was there two seasons ago and the rule had been relaxed then. Didn;t ski it personally but my ski buddy had done so. |
nbt. I am talking about the top lift which it is ALL off-piste, as you know. The lifties let the group come up with skis, and they were clearly not part of our group. They had no kit apart from piste skis so I think the lift attendant would have done them more favours to tell them where they were headed. They were italian but clearly didn't know. They came back down again.
The same happenes on the Ag MIdi, they let anyone up, and leave it to guides to bo$ock anyone on the arrete who is not equipped and once past that arrete it is too late to turn back.
Although I think the Valluga goes too far and stops anyone without a guide, from the top lift, it might have to come to this.
My point being that people shouldn't be allowed to get too far without knowing the risks. At Grand St B, you have to buy a bus ticket back for the 10km ride to Italy, so they have numbers. Maybe a similar situation required. The signing in might only need be voluntary but at least you would let people know what you have undertaken should you want to be searched for.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The OP pics look stunning, mighty fine conditions you had there, it seems.
norris, The obvious and easiest is the cut back into the lift system, but stretching south onto the glacier
You will have to traverse back to the ridge underneath the cable car. All other routes go straight on as per the map. There is a big bowl which levels out and you thern decide whether to cut back into a gulley and pick up the higher lift or go right to the valley which is the pole segment and back into the lift system. Don't leave it too late as a) that top slope gets the sun and b) the lifts close and you have to cowboy all the way down to Entreves. This isn't the worse thing ever as I recall, but I wouldn't do it on purpose. Make the last lift connections.
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You know it makes sense.
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snowball,
As I recall, that looks a quick hike up over the ridge about a third of the way down, no?
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PinoP, snowball,
great thanks - I think the St Gervais IGN map has this area (just) so will check it out.
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PinoP, yes, a slight hike, but if the traverse has already been made, it is just a fast traverse and only a very short hike up on skis.
I think that lift up from the nursery slops bottom left where you often end up now connects back up much higher into the main ski system than the plan seems to show.
The piste map also doesn't show the much used path down to the bottom of the cable car bottom-right of the main ski area.
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