 Poster: A snowHead
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Off to St A on 24th and heard a guide is mandatory if u want 2 do the north face of the Valluga, is that right ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Absolutely.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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IIRC you cannot even get in the bubble lift thing without a guide with you.
Someone will correct me if that is wrong...
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If you have skis then you need a guide to sign you in. If you don't and just want to take photos from the weather station you don't need a guide.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Is it worth the expense ? Also tryin to find out about cat skiing in the area, woul like to try that while we is there. Hav u come across that on ur travels Noza ?
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You need a guide. You can also walk up on foot, which relieves the lift comany of any liability, so they won't stop you.
I did it once about twenty years ago while doing a course with the German Alpine Club, DAV. The entry is a bit hairy, and the first few meters are quite steep. Other than that it's not all that amazing. Not sure it would be worth hiring a guie just for that!
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Kes, I agree with bertie bassett have a chat to some of the local guides, Piste to Powder or the Arlberg school http://www.powderclub.at/ . The routes off the back of the Valluga are a lovely place to ski if you know what you are doing and the conditions are right, but there are lots of other good off piste routes too. Obviously no idea whether the conditions would be right (or right for you) at the end of the month (possibly a little early in the season? depends how much snow comes between now and then). I've not heard of cat skiing in the Arlberg. But drop one of the guiding outfits a line.
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North face of the Valluga WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO YEAH BABY!
Kes, Are you any good at skiing, can you ski knee deep powder without falling over? Can you ski in a controlled manner on all angle slopes in icy/changeable conditions? If so then have no fear there is only one dangerous part and that is the start to the Valluga where you need to concentrate on a 35% slope where falling is not a good option as about 25metres slide there is the edge of the mountain and a 150m drop.
The North face run down to Zurs is superb as often it has great untouched powder and a serene silence as not many groups do it on a day to day basis.
I skiied with Harry Wolf who is the head of the snowboard school but is also a great skier, I advise asking at the ski school with the yellow/blue jackets for Mr Wolf
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A bit early in the Season to ski the North Face.
Traditionally you would not ski the North Face of Valluga until at least Mid February
EarlyLast Season the North Face Avalanched (massive) for the first time in many years (triggered by a local guided group from Lech) claiming the life of an American.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Does the "guide only" policy apply to both Valluga lifts? And whats it like from the the top of the Valluga 1 lift back down to Galzig/Gampen areas cos the piste map only shows a short red to the top of the little Valluga drag lift...?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Guide only policy only applies for the top Valluga lift. You can access most of that area from the top of the Schindlergraf Bahn chairlift if you dont want to wait for the Valuga.
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No. Valluga I is open to all (but gets very busy).
There is only one piste (red 19) to the small drag but this allows access to the off piste trails 15 and 16 (marked by doitted lines) which are a blast.
However, you can get to both of these from the top of the Schindlergrat chairlift as well which is less busy.
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You know it makes sense.
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KES u talk of doing the north face of the valluga,now surelly bunny runs will be more ur scene,if u can ski lattrigg then i think the north face will be a doddle fella 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Only the (tiny) third stage of the Valluga Lifts is with guide only (if you take skis with you). The North face takes you to the Zurs ski area and is the start of a good circuit to Lech and back.
If you ski with Piste to Powder guides (mentioned above) they will put you with a group of similar standard, which makes it much more affordable, However they are still fairly expensive.
As has been stated there is a huge range of off-piste skiing available, many routes requiring train or bus (or taxi) to get you back to your start point. I've skied there four times, almost entirely off-piste, and there is still lots I haven't done.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Not that difficult a run IMO, the only reason you need a guide is because of the cliff. I guess the lift company got fed up with accidents up there.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Thanks for the info guys! Yup i have a lesson with pistetopowder booked, sadly they could only fit me in on the second to last day so wont have too much time to put my new-found powder prowess into practice! But 90 euros for a whole day, group of 4...pretty ok value if you ask me!
Is there much decent off piste to be had over on the Rendl hill?
Cheerz!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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If it has snowed. Then yes. All over. And tends to be quieter. But do take care. Much of the terrain should definitely not be attempted without a guide. And people have got in very bad trouble skiing off the back of Rendl in the wrong conditions - but if the snow is good there should be plenty to play in on the front side.
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shiva71, the ski school next to the Gampen chair also runs the Powder Club (at a very similar cost) for guided off piste.
The reason why the Valluga is closed to the general ski public is that as per law they need to provide at least one pisted run. Due to the steepness the pistenbully cannot get up there.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I went up the Valluga 2 years ago, without a guide, without having to sign anything. I didn't actually ski back down as I was knackered and just wanted some pictures, but I could have done if I wanted? Am I missing something here?
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anotherproblem, If you took your skis up with you they made a mistake. Perhaps they thought you were part of a guided group.
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Possibly but I know my dad also went up and skied back down  they must have been having an off day!
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Your father skied back down on the lift side? I've never seen tracks there, though it would be perfectly possible (if short). The north face takes you miles away to the resort of Zurs.
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Is there a second lift I'm missing or something???
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anotherproblem, Valluga 1 is a largish cable car from the top of the Galzig cable car / gondola that goes over a huge valley, Valluga 2 is a small tin box for a few people up to a restaurant with viewing platform over a sheer cliff, another 200m or so up. Hope this helps.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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stevew, yeh, I went up in the Valluga 1 to a large concrete type building, I didn't notice another one but that must be it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The Area available (is huge. This map gives some idea The Valluga is right in the middle and you can see the tiny (6 person) lift at the top. However they have severely distorted the distance between the St Anton skiing and Zurs, which is much more than they show.
Some easily accessed steep off piste gullies off the Schindlergraat lift (though skied out in this picture):
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Thanks for the replys guys, will b havin a guide if conditions allow so hopeing to get north face ticked off the list.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lotsa gut wrenching stuff in that report 
I don't remember it as being quite that exciting, but it was along time ago so maybe my memory fails me!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Kes wrote: |
| Off to St A on 24th and heard a guide is mandatory if u want 2 do the north face of the Valluga, is that right ? |
That's right but IMHO it's a trophy run as there are better runs to do in the Alberg. The north face of the Valluga is best done in the right conditions.
A good guide will take you to the right places depending on the current conditions.
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The first 100m scared the shit out of me, and a guide doesn't control your brain or your legs
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Steilhang wrote: |
I don't remember it as being quite that exciting, but it was along time ago so maybe my memory fails me! |
It isn't really that extreme but you know how journalists like to talk up the danger 
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FAQ
There's a bunch of nice ones on the other side leading straight down into Schindlerkar as well 
