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Binding Settings - toe prereleasing

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Hi Guys.
Towards the end of last season I upped my binding settings from 6 to 7. Up until that point they were fine, released when they should and no pre-releases. Thing that changed was that I started jump 180's etc. Even with them on 7, I'm wary that they will release (down right embarrassing), but don't really want to tighten them up any further (They are already tops for me). Obviously it is the toe that is releasing, what are the thoughts on tightening the toe only up another notch and perhaps even releasing the back down to what was before?

Thanks..

BTW BertieB - I know there are loads of posts regarding DIN settings, apologies to your good self if I've missed one relating to this question Very Happy
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allanm, i'd say if you've got them as high as the good book says then leave them there and start landing your jumps straighter Laughing Says me that can't freestyle for sheee-it.
But seriously, i'd rather have an embarrasing stack than a twisted ankle so i'd keep them where they are. (Non-expert opinion)
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fastandicy, Cheers, they're releasing as I jump, not when I land... well they probably would anyway at that point if the damn things were still on! Very Happy
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allanm, I presume that you've done usual forward pressure/toe height/toe wing adjustment (if applicable to your make/model of bindings) checks & ensured that there a no burrs on your boot lugs.

If you're doing jumps/spins etc I'd initially set your bindings based upon a Type 3 skier or Type 3+ if you're going big. What's your chart setting based upon a type 3 & 3+ skier?
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If they're releasing at take off you're either starting your rotation too early or the release setting is probably too low.
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spyderjon wrote:
allanm, I presume that you've done usual forward pressure/toe height/toe wing adjustment (if applicable to your make/model of bindings) checks & ensured that there a no burrs on your boot lugs.

Not a clue what you mean! Can you point me in the direction of some info?
I ain't going big at all, just have a tendency to lose a ski flipping from forwards to switch and vice versa, perhaps its technique, or more likely lack of...
As a 3 'skier they should be 7, I'm really loathed to jack the heal above this.
BTW, 5'10 165lbs 314mm boot.
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spyderjon wrote:
If they're releasing at take off you're either starting your rotation too early...


Yes more I think about it that's probably the case...
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allanm wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
allanm, I presume that you've done usual forward pressure/toe height/toe wing adjustment (if applicable to your make/model of bindings) checks & ensured that there a no burrs on your boot lugs.

Not a clue what you mean! Can you point me in the direction of some info?
I ain't going big at all, just have a tendency to lose a ski flipping from forwards to switch and vice versa, perhaps its technique, or more likely lack of...
As a 3 'skier they should be 7, I'm really loathed to jack the heal above this.
BTW, 5'10 165lbs 314mm boot.

allanm, what make & model of bindings do you have?

Assuming your binding set-up & your technique hasn't a major floor then it's probably just a case of a bit more din at a time. I'd recommend speaking to some park rat dudes to see what dins they're using (relative to their chart setting) for comparison. There's no need to increase the heel if you're not getting heel releases.

It might also be worth getting an alignment check to ensure that you are pivoting a flat ski & not catching an edge. You could also add a bit more base edge angle to the contact points at the tips'n'tails to help avoid hook ups as well.
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spyderjon wrote:
There's no need to increase the heel if you're not getting heel releases. .

Everything up until now says your bindings must be set the same, front and back....

Don't quite [nowhere near Very Happy] put myself in the 'park rat dudes' .. park .... blimey, in a year I'll have to subtract '2' off my DINS, never mind add 3 on!!!. The video above could have been me though, at least with the DINS at 6!!
Don't think I'm catching an edge.. this is on take off, I guess they come off 'well in the air'.

Rossi B2's std bindings, & Axium 120's on Rossi SC80's

Thanks.. Al'
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allanm wrote:
.......Everything up until now says your bindings must be set the same, front and back....

That's usually the case for normal use but this is a specific issue. I often set toe/heels differently for folk who have specialist requirements - more usually to protect a weakness, ie lower toe after an knee injury or lower heel after an achilles or calf injury etc.

The forward pressure on the Axium binding is adjusted by raising the metal tab in the rear of the toe piece with a large flat headed 'driver to release the upper housing from the lower track to allow it to be slide back & forth. On the left side of the upper housing is a window & the forward pressure is correct when, with the boot installed, the vertical black line appears in the window. And the nearer the black line is to the centre of the window the better. The Axium toe piece has auto height & wing setting so there's no adjustments to be made there.

If you got Axials on the B2's then the adjustment is the same but the window is on the top of the rear of heel piece mounting plate, below the lever.
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