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I notice that Kitzbuhel are now promoting themselves as "Europe's Largest Ski Area" - there are banner ads running on various websites. I know that the whole of Kitzbuhler Alps (includes places like Westendorf and Soll etc) is fairly huge now it's all kind of linked up but I'd have thought it still wasn't as big as Ski Amade or a few well-known places in France. Just noticed it and thought they were making a bit of an odd claim.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dolomiti Superski. No Doubt.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think there needs to be a clear differentiation between 'linked' and 'un-linked-but-reachable-by-bus-or-car' ski resorts. Chamonix, for example, falls very definitely into the second category, but places like Portes du Soleil may be in the first category. Also, does 'largest' mean most kilometres of piste, or largest square footage which would include un-skiable terrain like closely planted forests, cliffs, rock...
ps: Portes du Soleil used to advertise itself as the largest in the world.
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enaikay78, there are also bus links in the PdS, notably Super Chatel to Linga. For what it's worth I believe that Les Arcs and La Plagne combined is the largest linked area, if that sort of thing is important to you.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Neither the kitzalps area nor the Dolomiti superski area are anywhere near all lift linked.
Dolomiti Superski claims 1200km of pistes (in 12 ski areas). Kitzalps claims 1081Km of piste + 83Km of itineraries (in 7 ski areas), which makes Dolomiti larger purely in terms of piste kilometres.
But if you start looking at total skiable area including accessible off-piste, I suspect Kitzalps has rather more off-piste, so could be argued to be bigger. But there isn't really very much in it, TBH.
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By Kitzalps do you mean the SkiWelt (Westendorf/Soll/Ellmau etc) and Kitzbuhel, or are there more resorts linked in now? I seem to remember reading (probably incorectly lol) that SkiWelt had 250km of piste (although frankly apart from Westendorf most of it's a fairly tedious 'blues cruise'), and Kitzbuhel surely can't have 750km of pistes?!
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clarky999, The ad is a banner ad on www.onthesnow.co.uk - It just refers to Kitzbuhel itself and hitting the banner lands you at the Kitzbuhel website. They are claiming to be Europe's biggest - very strange.
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Of properly linked areas, surely the Trois Vallee (actually 4 valleys now, though still called 3) and Val d'Isere are the most lifts and pistes totals.
The Dolomites: Sella Ronda and associated lifts, probably come close, but it revolves around a big area with no lifts. Square kilometres mean nothing if most is not skiable from lifts.
Are any of the Austrian areas which claim more piste kilometres really linked?
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Wikipedia says the Les Trois Vallees is the largest ski area in the world. It has about 660 km of pistes and 163 lifts.
Kitzbuhel /Pass Turn area has 52 lifts and 163km of pistes, unless you count other areas which aren't really linked.
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clarky999, I mean the area covered by the Kitzalps ski pass.
The Kitzalps ski pass covers 7 separate areas
Kitzbuhel
Ski Welt (Going-Ellmau-Scheffau-Soll-Itter-Hopfgarten-Brixen-Westendorf)
Wildschonau (Neiderau-Auffach)
Alpbachtal
Schneewinkel (St Johan in tyrol, Kirchdorf, Waidring-Steinplatte, St Jakob, Feiberbrunn)
Ski Circus (Saalbach-Hinteglemm-Leogang)
Kaprun-Zell am Zee
http://www.kitzalps.com/en/ski-area-kitzbueheler-alpen.html
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I just saw an ad for the Valais skicard covering 2,800 km of pistes...obviously not linked. I guess that would be the most you get on a single skipass.
http://www.valais.ch/fr/navpage.cfm?category=SkiCardVS
Don't know for linked. I thought the Dolomiti Superski has 600km of linked runs as part of its total 1,200km - need to check what it said on my map. 3 Vallees has 600 km and snowball is right, probably more area in terms of accessible terrain. Paradiski has 425 km according to the lesarcs.com website.
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snowball, The dolomiti superski area is way larger than Les 3 Vallees (nearly twice the size), but as you say, is not lift linked. The same applies to Kitzalps.
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alex_heney, but those areas aren't really linked. Sure you can make an excursion for the day to another area, but it isn't all linked tightly together like the 3 valleys.
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You know it makes sense.
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Ah well if we're talking about most kilometres from a single pass, the Tirol snowcard must be fairly high up the list - 77 different resorts, including the likes of Ischgl, Kitzbuhel, Ski Welt, St Johann, All the Innsbruck area (Axamer Lizum, Stubaier Gletscher, Schlick2000), Mayrhofen and some other big biggies. Not bad for 590 yoyos for the season, that's less than just the St Anton pass (which I'm gutted isn't covered, that would have made it one of the best passes of all time!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Of properly linked areas, surely the Trois Vallee (actually 4 valleys now, though still called 3) and Val d'Isere are the most lifts and pistes totals.
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Lift-linked KM's of piste then it's 3v, Paradiski then EK..
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Poster: A snowHead
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Ah well if we're talking about most kilometres from a single pass, the Tirol snowcard must be fairly high up the list - 77 different resorts, including the likes of Ischgl, Kitzbuhel, Ski Welt, St Johann, All the Innsbruck area (Axamer Lizum, Stubaier Gletscher, Schlick2000), Mayrhofen and some other big biggies. Not bad for 590 yoyos for the season, that's less than just the St Anton pass (which I'm gutted isn't covered, that would have made it one of the best passes of all time! |
And there is also the similar Salzbugsuper ski card. Except that one is available for shorter periods too, not just for the whole season.
But with both those passes being based on political divisions, they don't actually map all that well to ski areas, and you get oddities like the Zillertal Arena being on the Salzbuger one, while none of the rest of the Zillertal is.
And the Schneewinkel area being part on one and part on the other. (Waidring-steinplatte & Reit am Winkel being on the Salzbuger card, the rest bing on the tirol card)
http://www.salzburgersuperskicard.com/
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Salzbrg Superpass covers all of Salzburg region plus other resorts near the borders. Total of 2200km piste. See http://www.salzburgerland.com/eng/tid_2200-km-of-slopes_129446/direktlink.html for all the facts and figures. Not lift linked, but that doesn't bother me too much. Just got my pass at 510€, been testing the last few days and glad to say it works. Some nice spring like piste conditions today, winter must be close 
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