 Poster: A snowHead
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Just admiring my new K2 Kung Fujas tonight and noticed a couple of 'high spots' on the underside of the skis. Should I be worried about this - or this just normal? I presume these are from the mounting screws tightened from above to keep the bindings on. These are brand new, should I take them back to the shop?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Inverted8, sounds dubious to me...not that I would know, just never seen that before except when I screwed up binding mounting...
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Inverted8, The binding holes were not drilled deep enough (or had debris at the bottom)so when the screw was tightened down it pushed the material at the bottom down, hence the lump. I would go bl**dy mad at them if they were my skis, no its not normal, take them back.
A shop did this to my daughters skis, and I had to do 4 base repairs as the "bumps" would not go back.
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Inverted8, out of curiosity, what binding?
carroz, that's a classic shop stuff up on some Looks.
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Inverted8, it would be unusual for the holes to be drilled too shallow as there's a distinct shoulder on a binding drill. Could be debris in the holes but the more likely culprit is that the binding screws are actually a tad too long. I've had this before when a standard 9mm depth binding drill is just a tad too short for the screws supplied - I've been caught a few times myself (latest was on Marker Griffons) so it's something I watch out for. It's very unlikely that a shop would ever check for this so whilst it is an error it's an understandable one. What the shop should have done is check the base as it's an easy job to remove the screws & grind a nats off the end & if it's done straight away the base recovers fine.
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Most likely cause is what spyderjon says, I've seen this on snowboards a couple of times when people have overtightened or used too long screws for the baseplates.
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on a brand new ski i would be taking it back looking for either a replacement pair or a substancial discount.... they stuffed up they should do something to put it right
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Thanks for that. They are Marker Griffon Schizos bindings. I'll contact the shop.
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Just found out that the Kung Fujas come with the screw inserts already fitted to the ski. So it may seem that this is a manufacturing fault by K2. Anyone had experience fitting bindings onto these skis? Is it still possible to overtighten or use over long screws?
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| Inverted8 wrote: |
| Just found out that the Kung Fujas come with the screw inserts already fitted to the ski...... |
The ones I've seen didn't however - these skis are shipped in the flat so they can be drilled for any ski. It's likely that it's the Marker binding screws that are a tad long. Just get 'em to back 'em out/trim/refix etc. If the base doesn't go back after applying a bit of pressure it'll just need a few passes with a metal scraper - don't let them grind the ski.
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I think some come with inserts for the SchizoFrantic binding and some come flat. Maybe there are different screw lengths for the two - but only guessing about this. Marker have other issues with the fitting - found on another forum http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172827
In any case the OP is right to go back to the shop and IMV should only accept a perfect ski.
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Update:
The flat versions do not come with inserts and I dont think they are suitable for the Schizofrantics bindings?
Took skis back to shop. Looks like the correct length screws were used. My guess is that someone tried the wrong screws in first, realised too late and tried to get away with the correct ones. No more 169s Kung Fujas anywhere in the world!! unless K2 are BullSh*ting. So cannot get new ones as replacements. My options: get them to repair, refund, buy another ski.
Really f**ked off with this:
Got given the wrong size from S&R! (useless basterds) - got refund.
Finally get the right size from Ski Bartlett - now I get this problem!
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Inverted8, refund, buy 169s from Sport Conrad. Sorted.
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You know it makes sense.
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Inverted8, refund then buy elsewhere as arv says
Thats 459 euros with the schizos mounted - and add 25 usually for delivery... comes to about £440 - ie £55 cheaper than Bartlett are quoting at the moment...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Inverted8, get a refund & then go for some decent bindings 
I'm actually being serious. I've mounted a good few pairs of Jester/Griffon's & whilst the toe/heel piece units are great (same as on the Duke/Baron) the flimsy mounting plate on the heelpiece is a POS. You can do a great mounting job & then flex the whole heelpiece on the plate!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Got refund then ordered another pair. Thanks arv for suggesting Sport Conrad they are excellent - ordered Sunday night, arrived Thursday. I'm now a happy bunny.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Inverted8,
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| My guess is that someone tried the wrong screws in first, realised too late and tried to get away with the correct ones. |
Very unlikely as the screws are supplied with the bindings. Glad you are now a happy bunny.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hello. I know this issue has been resolved. But I too have experienced the Same problem.
I work at a Ski shop (Anything Technical) and i have mounted countless pairs of skis. When my boss orded in this years Kung Fujas I jumped at the Chance and bought my self a pair.
I noticed teh Binding tech is relatively new, but before i mounted my own, i was asked to mount up a couple of display pairs. I quickly put them together, tightening screws not slack but not recomended tightness (as i would eventually have to change binding length to fit customers boot).
I get round to Sorting my own out (Fujas 179), tightening them so they are firm this time. Get back home to show them off and crap!!!
On both skis, a pairs of screws in the exact same position (last two screws - tail end) had breached the base surface. There was only base discolouration marks "thankfully" and no rise at the base.
I was abit gutted, but under further inspection i noticed something - The thickness of the ski, at the last pair of screws (Tail end) {------- : : :  ----] is infact 1mm or 2 thinner! And since the screws are the same size no wonder this happened.
I am still abit gutted to this day, but atleast they were mine and not a customers.
Hope this helps Buyers and ski techies alike.
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Jaded, Binding Mounting Rule No.2 - Always check the drill length against the ski's sidewall alongside the screw locations, especially the rearmost. 
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You should always torque all the screws correctly - just shorten the rearmost screws slightly first.
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FAQ
My advice - with Schitzo Frantic inserts" Dont tighten last pair of screws as much as you normally would.