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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well that is why Peter is a commissioned ski journalist and you just post on a forum of lower than average interest to the skiing population.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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killjoyben,
Is there any need to be abusive in your first post or are you a  just hiding under a pseudonym?
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T Bar, snowpatrol (whoever he is) has already produced one alter ego today, so he's probably playing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I was surprised on reading the article that there does not appear to be any reference to Vaujany.
Did I miss it?
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| ssnowman wrote: |
I was surprised on reading the article that there does not appear to be any reference to Vaujany.
Did I miss it? |
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although the company who usually hosts him there aren't really budget operators 
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if you read what Peter Hardy wrote last year, or the year before that, or the year before that, then you know what he is going to write this year. Must be the easiest and probably the best job in the world. I must start drinking more Carlsberg
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I think his son posts on here sometimes doesn't he?
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Dave Spart
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Peter Hardy ? The Good Ski Guide ? Tired, out-dated rubbish.
He is not the only crap ski/travel journalist though.
Dave Spart
Promotions Manager
Neasden Dry Ski Slope
Shilpa Shetty Boulevarde
IKEA Industrial Estate
London NW10
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Lovely picture in the actual paper - skier poised on the lip of the ridge - the pic was full of the possibilities to come. Loved it. As for the journalism - well all ski journalism is the same, innit?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| T Bar, snowpatrol (whoever he is) has already produced one alter ego today, so he's probably playing. |
Third rate troll borrowing more established troublemaker's shtick from elsewhere.
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Actually not a bad article.
But if he doesn't know only muppets buy US ski passes at ticket window prices it rather suggest he never has to spend his own money.
I guess it is one of those jobs that sounds good on paper.
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You know it makes sense.
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Woah guys you really should find some better way to spend your time than ranting to such an extent about articles that you don't like. You will enjoy life better if you just relax a bit. You would think you were debating something that seriously affected your lives when in fact you can choose to read or not read Peters work, however ironically it seems that some of you continue to read and complain about it even though you do not like it! For your information I am not an alter ego of anyone registered to this forum. It is simply the first time I have posted here but I often read the posts.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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sherlock235, have to agree it is a typical Torygraph effort - I find him patronising and a bit of an old school Hooray Henry, but at least he does ski (I think). Some of the journos writing for the other broadsheets and tabloids seem to be less in touch with reality.
killjoyben, you must be the son some one was talking about! I'd hardly call my comments a rant - he's a travel journo who writes to promote the people who pay for his trips. On one side they call it marketing, on the other it is a job where you are paid to be nice about the people who pay you! But good independent comment it never has been.
I think he still lives in an era that past a good 15 to 20 years ago, but good for a giggle. He has freebies and writes in a way to ensure he gets more, what's wrong with that, if you can get away with it. The rather pompous "Good Ski guide" could do with being retired though!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I don't think so he posts under the name of a website they run and is pretty open. However what's wrong with writing what your readers want to hear? This article is aimed at Torygraph readers not 's.
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I feel very compelled to reiterate that I am no relation to Peter Hardy and find it laughable that you continue to assume as such simply from my opinion on this issue. In a farcical rebuke should I assume that you are all, in fact, relatives of the editor of the snow heads forum?
stoatsbrother, I think my previous post is a perfectly sensible rebuttal and I find it highly ironic that you then politely ask me to not to express myself on these forums, as in your own words - "people are actually allowed to express an opinion." If you read my post carefully you will see that my opinion is that perhaps you should not worry about it so much if you don't like it! Also, as we are talking about one of the most influential ski journalists in the press, to whom we possibly owe a lot (in terms of the growth and accessibility of winter sports holidays to us in the UK) I feel strongly that more credit is due, hence my original post.
Samerberg Sue, Would you suggest that Peter write articles which do not fit that of the expectations of the average reader of said Torygraph? I have always been of the opinion that one should be able to appreciate that all media is written appropriately for its target audience - I think its a bit of a given! Or no?
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| ssnowman wrote: |
I was surprised on reading the article that there does not appear to be any reference to Vaujany.
Did I miss it? |
Yep you missed it - 3 paragraph under ski-carriage: -
| Peter Hardy - Skiing on a Budget wrote: |
| Almost all tour operators now charge on charter flights. YSE (www.yseski.co.uk), which offers chalet holidays in Val d’Isère, and Ski Peak (www.skipeak.com) in Vaujany are exceptions |
Got to love this line too..
| Peter Hardy - Skiing on a Budget wrote: |
| In France, take a look at St Martin de Belleville instead of Val Thorens in the Trois Vallées. |
WTF - if you're skiing on a budget (even for a torygraph reader) then surely you go somewhere other than 3v to avoid paying expensive lift passes and expensive food on the mountain/kit rental. Given that st M de B is super expensive for 'real estate' then I doubt really whether it's much cheaper than Val Thorens. It's a classic exception to the rule of lower down the hill satellites are generally cheaper.
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| killjoyben wrote: |
Also, as we are talking about one of the most influential ski journalists in the press, to whom we possibly owe a lot (in terms of the growth and accessibility of winter sports holidays to us in the UK) I feel strongly that more credit is due, hence my original post.
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Apologies, I didnt appreciate this. Next time I'm in the Alps I will see the village mayor and suggest they erect a statue to thank the man who freed them from a life of cheese making.
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JT, killjoyben, Humble apologies from this uneducated peasant for daring to laugh at one of your Gods. I will now crawl away and commit myself to the depths of despair for daring to have a laugh.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I can't imagine there's any such thing as a genuinely unbiased reporter in mainstream journalism. Clearly this chap is just catering to his audience and there are people within a community such as who know more/better than he does.
But for the majority of uninformed holiday skiers, his points are fairly valid and TOs continue to offer that which we seek.
However, we've read it all before a thousand times over.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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P.S. Happy Birthday Samerberg Sue!
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hmmm... wonder if KJB is Mr B Clatworthy?
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You know it makes sense.
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i think it's reading articles like this one being discussed (sent via links possibly, rather than being sought out) that causes people, who are interested in the sport but have never done it, to start thinking it's a rich person's sport. it's a shame, in that respect, as it merely reinforces the idea of it being a rich person's sport.
happy birthday Samerberg Sue!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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killjoyben,
If you want to defend someone or even enlighten us as to someones virtues in the skiing world it may help by not abusing your audience in the posts, just an idea. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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I love how the image at the beginning of the article is from a ski hill that isn't even mentioned.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stoatsbrother, I do not know who Mr B Clatworthy is, so I assure you I am not him.
T Bar, "Abuse" is a strong word to throw around don't you think? My tone of response is really quite appropriate given your knee jerk accusations of using a pseudonym to express my self!
For the record you all sound so bitter about life on here, I have really never heard so much complaining on the subject of skiing (and half of the posts on this thread are unrelated to my argument)! Look at how much ranting my one line comment generated, that is ridiculous. I will not be posting on here any time soon but try to all chill out a bit and enjoy your skiing.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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killjoyben,
Some might think rephrasing a question as a knee jerk accusation shows a somewhat thin skin. Hope you enjoy your skiing more than your time on snowheads.
Adieu.
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| killjoyben wrote: |
| I will not be posting on here any time soon but try to all chill out a bit and enjoy your skiing. |
OK bye
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ah, I've been away for a few months. I had forgotton how feisty this place can get... 
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Snowmonkey, i think we're all suffering from "forum fever" (like cabin fever, but for forums). we're sick of talking about riding/skiing, we just want the season to start already so we can get out there!!
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Google Alerts, domain of the vain
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killjoyben, do you know Peter Hardy?
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ssnowman, You wont get an answer now, he's gone
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