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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Megamum, Just relax and accept that when you fall over it doesn't hurt  Practice does take time but going faster aids stability for me. Just don't attempt to make sudden turns... it's delicate changes to ski angle that lets you make big sweeping arcs.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Don't try to rush your turns, let your skis do the work. Try to have more equal pressure across both skis; if your outside ski is much more heavily weighted than the inside one it will sink more into snow and be more difficult to manage. Make a clean transition from one turn to another so you don't lose control of your inside ski and form a little stem turn.
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You cant really approach powder tentatively, get a bit of speed up it helps your skis float, You can bounce up and down gently a bit to help keep them floating as you getting speed up. Try to weight them evenly and work them together. If you ski it like firm snow the skis go off in different directions.
Ski slush in a similar manner it works a treat for me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Weight on both skis, don't lean back, bounce up and down, get into a rhythm.
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wow Megamum talking about knee deep powder, how the years go by. It dosnt seem that long since you where talking about making
those same tentertive turns ON piste.
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lean forwards more and take maybe 3 off the din setting of the bindings, this will help you with the laughing no end 
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Megamum, wot Rob said. Don't have equal pressure on skis, you just want to be more evenly weighted. The turns much the same, just a bit more subtle.
If you feel the need to bounce up and down you're going to have to get the timing right...on the other hand a little un-weighting goes a long way. Whether by extension or contraction. (Sorry, the last bit probably wasn't that helpful).
In "10cm of fresh Okanagon" you just ski exactly as though you were on piste. Mr Foster's comment about a platform is spot on though, in deeper stuff your skis build up resistance which supports you, you need to get a feel for that.
Incidentally, your "shortish, bashed" skis are probably way fatter and have more surface area than what you'd have skied on 20 years ago... and people skied powder then... 
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under a new name,
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Don't have equal pressure on skis,
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I would argue that this depends on the depth and texture of the fluffy stuff. If it's very deep and light then it's just like water skiing - more weight on one ski for a moment and you will be eating snow. In just a few inches however, your technique and hence weight distribution will be pretty much the same as on piste.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I got a bit of grief last year for mentioning leaning back so I definitely won't say that again!  But I found keeping skis slightly closer together, keeping the speed up and being smooth was the way to go. Plus you can ski steeper runs than usual which helps with the keeping the speed up. And have fun!
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You know it makes sense.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Don't try to rush your turns, let your skis do the work. Try to have more equal pressure across both skis; if your outside ski is much more heavily weighted than the inside one it will sink more into snow and be more difficult to manage. Make a clean transition from one turn to another so you don't lose control of your inside ski and form a little stem turn. |
Megamum, The key thing to remember is that your ski's & boots are IN the snow, rather than on.
Having more equal pressure helps you to control the inside ski. Because both ski's / boots are 'in' the snow there can be a tendency for the inside one to 'drag' and you get that 'get left behind' feeling, and the eventual stack. Trying to keep the pressure more equal, or even actively pushing the inside ski forward a little helps.
Keeping both ski's 'tilted' at the same angle helps too. If the ski's are tilted at different angles they will want to diverge or converge, with predictable results.
Of course there is powder and powder so you need to be ready to adapt depending on the snow under foot.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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How does one stop in powder? I realise falling over is always an option  Often I find myself gaining too much speed for comfort and can wash the speed off with some turns but if you need to stop quickly how do you do it?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Renry, The only 'proper' powder I encountered was still on-piste - I haven't ventured 'off' yet, but I don't think it gets much better on piste than what we had to play in. Also, yes, it is the same Megamum I think the skiing has undergone a revelation in the 18mths or so, and my ski buddy now reckons I ski a lot better than I think I do. Here's hoping for powder the last week in Jan in Les Arc next year 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Boredsurfing, try and use the terrain as much as you can, adjusting your turn shape as appropriate. Depending on the snow conditions it may not always be possible to stop "immediately" - you need enough space to use your turn shape to bring your speed down slowly before the snow / slope brings you a halt. Which is why when skiing off piste it's particularly important that you are with a guide or instructor, who will choose a safe route for the level of your ability, or you know the route really well.
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beanie1, hmm, OK, yes fair point, although I would pedantically argue that having equal weight all the time is less helpful, but the transition phase where you do have equal weight is much, much longer. I think. Hmm, get snow soon, must re-check my thinking is what I think it is... 
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Boredsurfing, As any fule know the acknowedged method is to submarine your tips then superman double eject. Don't listen to the amateurs who claim that simply falling over or worse still elegantly slowing with a huge rooster tail will suffice.
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fatbob, I must admit I do use the 'tree well' stop method sometimes
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Megamum, hope you enjoy it. I hope to have a bash with some off piste lessons or a bit of powder with a guide in next years trip to ADH.
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Mmm.......now there is an idea - I wonder if I'm ready for an off piste lesson yet..........
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Boredsurfing,
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How does one stop in powder?
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My usual method is to ski into somone else in the group.
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You need really baggy pants, a jacket to your knees and to start saying things like "sick" or "super sick" when commenting on your last run (which is now a line).
Once you've mastered that the actual skiing bit is a doddle.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Mosha Marc wrote: |
You need really baggy pants, a jacket to your knees and to start saying things like "sick" or "super sick" when commenting on your last run (which is now a line).
Once you've mastered that the actual skiing bit is a doddle. |
Plus your face needs to be covered in white stuff like you've just had a trip to the bogs with Kate Moss and a similar teeth grinding gibbering grin.
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You know it makes sense.
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to stop in pow? sometimes snowplough stop, when in tight trees. a lot of variations.
it depends....
any fluffy stuff has its own rhythm. just try to feel it through bouncing up and down when going down the fall line first straight ahead.
you have to expect to deal with fresh, wet, old pow.
and do not forget about the base under the pow!
it could be not only groomed run or deep stuff but also severe bumps with ice or crust on them.
expect lots of mileage to get it right.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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make the most of it, ski everything to get experience, real deep fluffy days don't come around that often!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Megamum p.s. sorry my English is not native especially in skiing terms, but I hope you will understand my message:)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Megamum, From 1800 go up the Charmattoger, cut left and up the Plan Bois. Then immediately on leaving the lift to the right do the off piste between the two pistes. Very safe, very close to the runs (they criss cross) and you can get most of the way down without hitting groomed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| fatbob wrote: |
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You need really baggy pants, a jacket to your knees and to start saying things like "sick" or "super sick" when commenting on your last run (which is now a line).
Once you've mastered that the actual skiing bit is a doddle. |
Plus your face needs to be covered in white stuff like you've just had a trip to the bogs with Kate Moss and a similar teeth grinding gibbering grin. |
If you could combine the two would you actually be in heaven?
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Scarpa, Thanks, I'm sure it would be fine, but the coward in me won't be going anywhere off piste without an instructor/guide!! In fact I may have actually been joking about an off piste lesson  To me off piste always sounds a bit potentially dodgy to ski bases (hidden rocks, and or gullys) not to mention the lack of ski insurance, potential danger of the unmarked territory etc. etc. Though if I got a foot of powder on piste like we had last year, that's when it would be good to get some practice in.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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That`s the right way to start! First explore "blue" offpiste between runs, then offpiste "reds" under lifts for example.
Blacks in outbounds are very demanding for the physical ability.
Not an easy thing!
Good luck!
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Megamum, It's more a case of... "Look... tracked out snow close between two pistes with no avalanche risk. Oooooo... little jumps, small trees, back on the piste, off again, steep chute for 10 feet then slope uphill to slow down, 18 inch drop back onto piste" etc etc.
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It's all blue and red steepness.
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| Megamum, It's more a case of... "Look... tracked out snow close between two pistes with no avalanche risk. Oooooo... little jumps, small trees, back on the piste, off again, steep chute for 10 feet then slope uphill to slow down, 18 inch drop back onto piste" etc etc. |
I spend my whole holidays doing such a thing but I feel I am ready for a bit more. But like Megamum says I want to go with off piste instructor or guide.
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Megamum, Renry, "guide" and "instructor" are generally what they say on the tin. In Megamum's case she should not yet be thinking about the former. Guides take you places you wouldn't have thought of going because you didn't know they were there, but don't give a huge amount of advice on how to ski what's there. At her stage a guide would be a complete waste. Renry sounds as if he may have done a bit more, but would probably still benefit from an instructor's attentions until he's happy he can cope with pretty much any conditions the mountain can throw at him - crust, crud and steeps in particular - and only worry about guiding when happy that he can do that, even though style may yet be a bit lacking. There are some people who are both guides and instructors, but they're fairly few and far between. The only place an off-piste instructor can't take you is onto a glacier (off-piste), and instructors won't generally stray more than 30 mins from a piste, but that still gives you huge scope. I've had some great challenging off-piste skiing with off-piste instructors.
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You have to be confident to let the snow and the turns take you.
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FAQ
All four of us were looking well-ard till we just stopped in a row half way down the run. Skis sunk. Up to our belly. Stuck. Oh dear. Took about 15 mins to free ourselves.
